Spanish Miquelet Lock Fowling Piece, Cadiz 1811

dana_w · 20th August 2013, 10:37 PM

Can someone with a copy of HEER DER NEUE STOCKEL help me find this maker?

Thanks!
Dana

Fernando K · 20th August 2013, 11:22 PM

Hi, Dana

Maybe I'm totally wrong. The M is the first letter of the name (Manuel?) And last name, at first glance, seems to be LOVING (Amoroso). But on second glance, appears to be composed of two surnames, AMO and ROS-

One such AMO appears as sheriff of RR.FF (actual factories) (royal factories) in 1707:

Ramiro Larranaga "Synthesis Basque History of the Armory", page 197:

AMO, Jeronimo's - Sheriff of RR.FF, 1707

Affectionately. Fernando K

dana_w · 21st August 2013, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hi, Dana

Maybe I'm totally wrong. The M is the first letter of the name (Manuel?) And last name, at first glance, seems to be LOVING (Amoroso). But on second glance, appears to be composed of two surnames, AMO and ROS-

One such AMO appears as sheriff of RR.FF (actual factories) (royal factories) in 1707:

Ramiro Larranaga "Synthesis Basque History of the Armory", page 197:

AMO, Jeronimo's - Sheriff of RR.FF, 1707

Affectionately. Fernando K

Thanks Fernando K. If only these weapons could talk. I'd love to know how it ended up in Florida and how long it has been here.

The only thing I know about Cadiz, is that they had some very high quality coal there in the Mid 1800s.

fernando · 21st August 2013, 01:22 PM

Very nice example, Dana.
Surely M Amoros ... not Amoroso=loving.
Amorós is a surname used in Spain.
It is possible that this gunsmith from Cadiz is not listed in books, like so many.

dana_w · 21st August 2013, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Very nice example, Dana.
Surely M Amoros ... not Amoroso=loving.
Amorós is a surname used in Spain.
It is possible that this gunsmith from Cadiz is not listed in books, like so many.

Thanks Fernando. Provincial makers are hard for me to find. If they're not listed in Lavin's or Neal's book, I am out of luck.

Marcus den toom · 28th August 2013, 09:47 PM

I tried to find the gunsmith in my Der neue Stockel books, but he doesn't show up anywhere. The explaination by Fernando seems quite good. The only thing i am curious about is the crown above this "name". As far as i know only gunsmiths with royal "connections" where allowed tu use such marks?
If this is true you would wonder if he didn't have a mentionable name?

The neue stockel only mentions 2 names in Cadiz (3e volume page 1815).
-Juan Cano
-Fransico Lopez

No other information about Cadiz.

20th August 2013, 10:37 PM	#1
dana_w Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Southeast Florida, USA Posts: 429	Spanish Miquelet Lock Fowling Piece, Cadiz 1811 Can someone with a copy of HEER DER NEUE STOCKEL help me find this maker? Thanks! Dana Attached Images

20th August 2013, 11:22 PM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	Hi, Dana Maybe I'm totally wrong. The M is the first letter of the name (Manuel?) And last name, at first glance, seems to be LOVING (Amoroso). But on second glance, appears to be composed of two surnames, AMO and ROS- One such AMO appears as sheriff of RR.FF (actual factories) (royal factories) in 1707: Ramiro Larranaga "Synthesis Basque History of the Armory", page 197: AMO, Jeronimo's - Sheriff of RR.FF, 1707 Affectionately. Fernando K

21st August 2013, 01:22 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Very nice example, Dana. Surely M Amoros ... not Amoroso=loving. Amorós is a surname used in Spain. It is possible that this gunsmith from Cadiz is not listed in books, like so many.

28th August 2013, 09:47 PM	#6
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 525	I tried to find the gunsmith in my Der neue Stockel books, but he doesn't show up anywhere. The explaination by Fernando seems quite good. The only thing i am curious about is the crown above this "name". As far as i know only gunsmiths with royal "connections" where allowed tu use such marks? If this is true you would wonder if he didn't have a mentionable name? The neue stockel only mentions 2 names in Cadiz (3e volume page 1815). -Juan Cano -Fransico Lopez No other information about Cadiz.