New to the forums. What do I have?

Raiderbeater · 10th July 2019, 01:13 AM

Hello. I’m new and very glad I found this place. Im in the SE USA and have come by lots of antique weapons in my auction buying. I normally do estate sales, storage, and seizure auctions. I’ve seen everything from ugly fakes to very nice legitimate collectible edged weapons. I’ve saved a few things that I never identified but in the past I’ve received many authentic rare German WW1 and 2 daggers and swords. The oldest authentic weapon I had come by was a late 17th/early 18th C German “heavy” rapier that a dealer gladly took off my hands. I’m no expert so I apologize if this is nothing special. I don’t know what the euro pattern sword could be and I also have a Chinese bronze dagger/sword not pictured (lots of fakes I understand). So does anyone know what I have here??

CSinTX · 10th July 2019, 04:30 AM

Your pictures-

BUCC_Guy · 10th July 2019, 09:24 PM

Swords are not my area, but there’s a lot going on with that tang area.

Whatever construction type it was, the crossguard and/or basket/cup was multi-piece construction as a more typical crossguard with a central hole won’t slide on and get in that groove.

I’m not currently able to find anything of similar construction type.

David R · 10th July 2019, 11:49 PM

The overall shape reminds me of the Hudsen Bay trade blades, but yours looks longer and narrower than usual for them.

Victrix · 11th July 2019, 08:51 AM

Maybe it’s not even a sword blade? What’s the length and width of this thing? Maybe it’s a spear point?

thinreadline · 11th July 2019, 10:25 AM

Yes looks to be a trade blade , though I do agree its longer and narrower than any I have encountered so far . The tang cross piece is typical of these blades. I suspect it was one designed to be used as a lance or spear rather than a knife.

10th July 2019, 01:13 AM	#1
Raiderbeater Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 5	New to the forums. What do I have? (pics added) Hello. I’m new and very glad I found this place. Im in the SE USA and have come by lots of antique weapons in my auction buying. I normally do estate sales, storage, and seizure auctions. I’ve seen everything from ugly fakes to very nice legitimate collectible edged weapons. I’ve saved a few things that I never identified but in the past I’ve received many authentic rare German WW1 and 2 daggers and swords. The oldest authentic weapon I had come by was a late 17th/early 18th C German “heavy” rapier that a dealer gladly took off my hands. I’m no expert so I apologize if this is nothing special. I don’t know what the euro pattern sword could be and I also have a Chinese bronze dagger/sword not pictured (lots of fakes I understand). So does anyone know what I have here?? Last edited by Raiderbeater; 10th July 2019 at 06:18 PM. Reason: title

10th July 2019, 04:30 AM	#2
CSinTX Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 233	Your pictures- Attached Images Last edited by CSinTX; 10th July 2019 at 05:47 PM.

10th July 2019, 09:24 PM	#3
BUCC_Guy Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 52	Swords are not my area, but there’s a lot going on with that tang area. Whatever construction type it was, the crossguard and/or basket/cup was multi-piece construction as a more typical crossguard with a central hole won’t slide on and get in that groove. I’m not currently able to find anything of similar construction type.

10th July 2019, 11:49 PM	#4
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	The overall shape reminds me of the Hudsen Bay trade blades, but yours looks longer and narrower than usual for them.

11th July 2019, 08:51 AM	#5
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 710	Maybe it’s not even a sword blade? What’s the length and width of this thing? Maybe it’s a spear point?

11th July 2019, 10:25 AM	#6
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	Yes looks to be a trade blade , though I do agree its longer and narrower than any I have encountered so far . The tang cross piece is typical of these blades. I suspect it was one designed to be used as a lance or spear rather than a knife.