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Gavin Nugent · 1st September 2013, 12:01 PM

I have a question that perhaps Albert himself can offer insight in to or those more learned in Keris than I.

Page 64, figure 205, a Keris Panjang from the Williem Van Der Post's collection seen in Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago.

Are other type of this Panjang known? I ask as the hilt appears to be that of a Jono from Batak Sumarta. Is this a Panjang specific to the regions of Batak?

Gavin

Sajen · 1st September 2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SwordsAntiqueWeapons

I have a question that perhaps Albert himself can offer insight in to or those more learned in Keris than I.

Page 64, figure 205, a Keris Panjang for the collection of Williem Van Der Post's collection seen in Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago.

Are other type of this Panjang known? I ask as the hilt appears to be that of a Jono from Batak Sumarta. Is this a Panjang specific to the regions of Batak?

Gavin

Hello Gavin,

the Batak normally don't have had keris. The hilt form seems to be a planar tapak kuda form. Look also here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=tapak+kuda

Regards,

Detlef

Gavin Nugent · 1st September 2013, 02:08 PM

Thank you for reply Detlef.

I had viewed this link closely when searching through Sumatran Keris hilts but I did not find what I am looking for...the Keris hilt in Zonneveld also seems to be four or six sided with silver wrapping rather than a cup...quite a mystery...I hope this develops further.

Gavin

VVV · 2nd September 2013, 07:18 PM

I agree with Gavin that the hilt and cup of Willem's keris seems to have traits of Karo Batak influence.
As a reference, check the Krisdisk of Sejr-Jensen 9,3:16.

Michael

Gavin Nugent · 3rd September 2013, 08:33 AM

Michael, thank you for posting.

I am not versed in this reference and will endevour to obtain a copy for future reference.
If you find the time, could you photograph the reference from your computer screen when running the disk?

Gavin

VVV · 3rd September 2013, 09:06 AM

Gavin, this CD is a must if you are interested in keris from all over the archipelago (and not only Java).
Here is copy of the page I was referring to.

Michael

1st September 2013, 12:01 PM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Zonneveld image I have a question that perhaps Albert himself can offer insight in to or those more learned in Keris than I. Page 64, figure 205, a Keris Panjang from the Williem Van Der Post's collection seen in Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago. Are other type of this Panjang known? I ask as the hilt appears to be that of a Jono from Batak Sumarta. Is this a Panjang specific to the regions of Batak? Gavin Last edited by SwordsAntiqueWeapons; 1st September 2013 at 07:44 PM.

3rd September 2013, 08:33 AM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Michael, thank you for posting. I am not versed in this reference and will endevour to obtain a copy for future reference. If you find the time, could you photograph the reference from your computer screen when running the disk? Gavin Last edited by SwordsAntiqueWeapons; 3rd September 2013 at 09:19 AM.

1st September 2013, 02:08 PM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thank you for reply Detlef. I had viewed this link closely when searching through Sumatran Keris hilts but I did not find what I am looking for...the Keris hilt in Zonneveld also seems to be four or six sided with silver wrapping rather than a cup...quite a mystery...I hope this develops further. Gavin

2nd September 2013, 07:18 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I agree with Gavin that the hilt and cup of Willem's keris seems to have traits of Karo Batak influence. As a reference, check the Krisdisk of Sejr-Jensen 9,3:16. Michael