Sword for identification

Alam Shah · 9th April 2008, 01:49 AM

A sword belonging to a friend, for identification.
It had been keep in his family for 90+ years. Before that, unknown.

The sword in question

A close up of the hilt, made from brass, (I think).
Help in identifying this piece is much appreciated.

Emanuel · 9th April 2008, 02:36 AM

Hi Alam Shah,

This looks like a French 1831 Artillery sword, one of my favourite swords. Known as the "cabbage cutter", I think it makes a good chopper. The model was adopted and modified by the Americans as the 1832 Foot Artillery Sword. There is a British design as well, but I forgot its name. It's odd that this example doesn't have the requisite markings on the guard. There should be one in the middle of the guard block if French, both sides I think. On the last picture there seem to be faint traces of one, possibly ground off?

I've been looking for an 1831 at good price for a long time. Can't seem to find any bargains.

Regards,
Emanuel

Alam Shah · 9th April 2008, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manolo

Hi Alam Shah,

This looks like a French 1831 Artillery sword, one of my favourite swords. ...

Thanks a lot Emanuel. Bingo, that the one, I guess.

Dom · 9th April 2008, 03:52 PM

Looks like a French 1831 Army (sorry Manolo) model sword,
in service until 1866 in French army,
then used by fire-fighters, national guards until 1870.
This sword appear during the reign of "roi des Français" Louis-Philippe 1er,
and then in used during the Second Empire, the one of Napoléon III

f.y.i. Manolo

copy - new
http://www.wkc-solingen.de/newshop/francais/Glaive.html
in sale - Réf 10-252
http://www.cedric-rolly-armes.fr/armes-blanches.php
in fact, made a search as following "vends glaive modele 1831"

à +

Dom

Emanuel · 10th April 2008, 01:46 AM

Glaive d'infanterie serait peut-être plus précis mais "artillery sword" va assez bien en englais

I'll read up some more on the model but I do believe it was the infantry artillery that got the model, not just any army corps. English site:
http://www.arms2armor.com/Swords/fren1831.htm

I found a number of replicas as well Dom, but I'd like an old one. The newer ones are hangers, the old were used

Emanuel

Dom · 10th April 2008, 12:53 PM

mea culpa, Emanuel is correct
I wasn't control enough my subject

and the facts are ;
during Empire, French Artillery was consisted of;
- foot artillery
- horse artillery
the first following on foot the second, who was with canons pulled by horses,
between them, uniforms was significantly differents

Emanuel .... the second link didn't concern a copy, but an original,
I dunno if the price requested is realistic

à +

Dom

9th April 2008, 01:49 AM	#1
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Sword for identification A sword belonging to a friend, for identification. It had been keep in his family for 90+ years. Before that, unknown. The sword in question A close up of the hilt, made from brass, (I think). Help in identifying this piece is much appreciated. Last edited by Alam Shah; 9th April 2008 at 11:42 AM.

10th April 2008, 01:46 AM	#5
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Artillery or Infantry = Army Glaive d'infanterie serait peut-être plus précis mais "artillery sword" va assez bien en englais I'll read up some more on the model but I do believe it was the infantry artillery that got the model, not just any army corps. English site: http://www.arms2armor.com/Swords/fren1831.htm I found a number of replicas as well Dom, but I'd like an old one. The newer ones are hangers, the old were used Emanuel

9th April 2008, 02:36 AM	#2
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hi Alam Shah, This looks like a French 1831 Artillery sword, one of my favourite swords. Known as the "cabbage cutter", I think it makes a good chopper. The model was adopted and modified by the Americans as the 1832 Foot Artillery Sword. There is a British design as well, but I forgot its name. It's odd that this example doesn't have the requisite markings on the guard. There should be one in the middle of the guard block if French, both sides I think. On the last picture there seem to be faint traces of one, possibly ground off? I've been looking for an 1831 at good price for a long time. Can't seem to find any bargains. Regards, Emanuel

9th April 2008, 03:52 PM	#4
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Looks like a French 1831 Army (sorry Manolo) model sword, in service until 1866 in French army, then used by fire-fighters, national guards until 1870. This sword appear during the reign of "roi des Français" Louis-Philippe 1er, and then in used during the Second Empire, the one of Napoléon III f.y.i. Manolo copy - new http://www.wkc-solingen.de/newshop/francais/Glaive.html in sale - Réf 10-252 http://www.cedric-rolly-armes.fr/armes-blanches.php in fact, made a search as following "vends glaive modele 1831" à + Dom

10th April 2008, 12:53 PM	#6
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	mea culpa, Emanuel is correct I wasn't control enough my subject and the facts are ; during Empire, French Artillery was consisted of; - foot artillery - horse artillery the first following on foot the second, who was with canons pulled by horses, between them, uniforms was significantly differents Emanuel .... the second link didn't concern a copy, but an original, I dunno if the price requested is realistic à + Dom