Kindjal? for ID please

Tracy · 21st January 2021, 09:52 PM

This belonged my late grandfather who was posted in the Middle East during WWII. Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I can provide additional photos if needed. Many thanks!

Ren Ren · 22nd January 2021, 09:56 PM

A very nice kindjal! I think that his blade was made at the end of the 19th century by the Ottoman Turks, and the silver fittings were made by a master from among the Caucasian immigrants - muhajirs.

Gonzoadler · 22nd January 2021, 10:57 PM

Looks like a typical example.
The mountings could be from Kubachi or
another place in Dagestan. The blade is maybe
chechen or dagestani, too.
Like Ren Ren I estimate it was made in
the late 19th century.

Kubur · 22nd January 2021, 11:04 PM

The two dates on the scabbard are the same
1208 or 1258
This kindjal is not from the 18th c so I vote for 1258, eg. 1842 AD.

Interested Party · 22nd January 2021, 11:50 PM

In the picture of the back of the hilt, is that a twist core in the fuller?

Oliver Pinchot · 23rd January 2021, 12:05 AM

This is Circassian work. The Circassian diaspora brought ~ 700,000 to the Ottoman Empire. Many served in the military, they were often stationed in the Ottoman provinces of Syria, Iraq and Egypt. So, very good old Circassian weapons often show up there.

Oliver Pinchot · 23rd January 2021, 12:11 AM

It would be interesting to know why Kubur says this kindjal is not from the 18th century.

kronckew · 23rd January 2021, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

It would be interesting to know why Kubur says this kindjal is not from the 18th century.

Date is clearly 1208 hjiri which is Gregorian 1794.

Kubur · 23rd January 2021, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

It would be interesting to know why Kubur says this kindjal is not from the 18th century.

Yes, me too, I would be interested to know why!

In fact, I will happily change my mind if you have some 18th c similar examples

21st January 2021, 09:52 PM	#1
Tracy Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: British Columbia Posts: 4	Kindjal? for ID please This belonged my late grandfather who was posted in the Middle East during WWII. Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I can provide additional photos if needed. Many thanks! Attached Images

22nd January 2021, 09:56 PM	#2
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 371	A very nice kindjal! I think that his blade was made at the end of the 19th century by the Ottoman Turks, and the silver fittings were made by a master from among the Caucasian immigrants - muhajirs.

22nd January 2021, 10:57 PM	#3
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 244	Looks like a typical example. The mountings could be from Kubachi or another place in Dagestan. The blade is maybe chechen or dagestani, too. Like Ren Ren I estimate it was made in the late 19th century.

22nd January 2021, 11:04 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	The two dates on the scabbard are the same 1208 or 1258 This kindjal is not from the 18th c so I vote for 1258, eg. 1842 AD.

22nd January 2021, 11:50 PM	#5
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 467	In the picture of the back of the hilt, is that a twist core in the fuller?

23rd January 2021, 12:05 AM	#6
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	This is Circassian work. The Circassian diaspora brought ~ 700,000 to the Ottoman Empire. Many served in the military, they were often stationed in the Ottoman provinces of Syria, Iraq and Egypt. So, very good old Circassian weapons often show up there.

23rd January 2021, 12:11 AM	#7
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	It would be interesting to know why Kubur says this kindjal is not from the 18th century.