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Hello
I`m writing to ask you for an identification of the dagger. Probably it comes from the period of the Mughal Empire`rule but I`m not sure, it`s a specific item. The hilt is made from jadeit and the carved motifs on it are specific too. I have never seen something like that before. Or maybe it was made as another turistic souvenir?It`s difficult to say and the blade looks as it had been used before. It is incrusted with silver and contains some symbols perhaps Islamic . Please for more information. Best regards, Alex. |
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Hello Alex,
Your suspicion is correct, it is a "touristic souvenir". It is not Mughal. The hilt is Asian (could be Chinese), the blade looks like cut from sheet metal, not forged. In my opinion this is more a fantasy item rather than anything particular or authentic. |
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But I'm just a collector, not an expert and for my eyes the pictures are not good enough for a proper statement. Some macro-pictures would be useful. Best wishes, Roland |
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I too thought that it was a tourist or export item when I saw this. I agree with Alex.
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The hilt material does not look jade at all (i.e. nephrite jade), and the work actually does look machine made and very crude. There are tons of jade/jadeite/quartz daggers currently being produced in India. The blade could look old, but if it is cut of sheet metal - the look is irrelevant. The form is actually of Turkish kard (very vainly), but nothing is right about this one. Here's the proper SAMPLE |
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Hello,
I see, there are different opinions. So, I will try to give you more details. First of all , the blade is not made from the sheet metal! ![]() Tomorrow, I will give you more photos with high definition. I hope they will show much more to confirm what I`ve written above. It is difficult to take a good photo of it because it fades away, that`s why some attached photos have bigger contrast to show better the carving. Thank you for your interests, Alex. |
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The blade is Ottoman from the beginning of the 20th century. The grip, whatever stone it is, is Persian work of the 1940s or 50s. It is what collectors call a "married" piece, i.e. two parts wedded together from disparate origins. These are often sold in bazaars and suqs in the Middle East and environs.
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Examine the grooves and engravings on the hilt under 10x magnification. If they have a circular cross-section, they are machined with a hand-held electric tool. If they have a crisp, triangular cross-section, they are carved/chiseled with a chisel. But in the end we all believe what we want to believe. ![]() |
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Thank you for the additional photos!
Certainly very poorly machine milled. No doubts about that. Also pretty sure it is Onyx, very abundant in central Turkey. Sorry! ![]() Last edited by mariusgmioc; 18th November 2016 at 01:56 PM. |
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You may want o have a look at my posting regarding Jade/Onyx in the Ethnographic Miscellania section of this forum.
Last edited by mariusgmioc; 19th November 2016 at 09:45 AM. |
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Hello,
I respect your opinion Marius ,the expert of minerals was thinking about the jade and bovenit. Finally he said that this is jade. The signs points to the use of simple tools, but there are some doubts. I see that nobody else wanted to comment that ![]() Everyone can be wrong only by looking at photos. I always rely on the opinions of the other people. Thank you. Best Regards, Alex |
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