Triple Dagger

Bill M · 14th July 2005, 02:29 AM

Tripple Dagger Comments please -- Thanks, Bill

Ian · 14th July 2005, 03:06 AM

Hi Bill:

Interesting pieces. I recall something similar on the old forum a while ago. The sheath(s) look like crocodile skin -- Mike (Conogre) could probably tell you which species. I think we concluded the previous example was a N. African ceremonial piece, but I'm sure others remember better.

Ian

Edit: Here is the URL for the thread that I mentioned. Unfortunately the pictures are gone. http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002161.html

Tim Simmons · 14th July 2005, 08:35 AM

Very nice

derek · 14th July 2005, 04:37 PM

Nice,

Sudan, I think. North African certainly. Rudy D'Angelo has a large collection of North African arms and he shared a similar example last year. Sorry for the broken pic links, I didn't realize that folder was gone. I should have it archived. Will dig around and repost asap.

BTW, I've seen a few different variations of this piece on ebay lately, but they do seem to be pretty rare.

-d

kai · 15th July 2005, 03:55 AM

This one just finished:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7335361023

Regards,
Kai

Jim McDougall · 16th July 2005, 06:43 AM

Bill,
Extremely nice example of these multiple dagger sets which are indeed Sudanese, and I believe many examples were fashioned in workshops in Omdurman, from about the Mahdist period. These have been suggested to have certain ritual association, however more research is needed to support that. These seem to occur in variations including pairs of daggers joined to Persian maces of the devil or bullhead forms and also covered in either crocodile or monitor lizard hide. From the photos the age and the thuluth suggest end of 19th to early 20th century, but if these were indeed ritual items it would be hard to say, could be later.
Interesting pommel form which seems variant and recalls the familiar hilts of the koummya daggers of Morocco, and which of course seem to have diffused throughout North Africa.
It seems these really are somewhat unavailable typically, and most examples not as well made as these.
All the best,
Jim

14th July 2005, 02:29 AM	#1
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Triple Dagger Tripple Dagger Comments please -- Thanks, Bill Attached Images

14th July 2005, 03:06 AM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	Hi Bill: Interesting pieces. I recall something similar on the old forum a while ago. The sheath(s) look like crocodile skin -- Mike (Conogre) could probably tell you which species. I think we concluded the previous example was a N. African ceremonial piece, but I'm sure others remember better. Ian Edit: Here is the URL for the thread that I mentioned. Unfortunately the pictures are gone. http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002161.html Last edited by Ian; 14th July 2005 at 04:20 AM.

14th July 2005, 08:35 AM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Very nice

14th July 2005, 04:37 PM	#4
derek Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 215	Nice, Sudan, I think. North African certainly. Rudy D'Angelo has a large collection of North African arms and he shared a similar example last year. Sorry for the broken pic links, I didn't realize that folder was gone. I should have it archived. Will dig around and repost asap. BTW, I've seen a few different variations of this piece on ebay lately, but they do seem to be pretty rare. -d

15th July 2005, 03:55 AM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	This one just finished: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7335361023 Regards, Kai

16th July 2005, 06:43 AM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,946	Bill, Extremely nice example of these multiple dagger sets which are indeed Sudanese, and I believe many examples were fashioned in workshops in Omdurman, from about the Mahdist period. These have been suggested to have certain ritual association, however more research is needed to support that. These seem to occur in variations including pairs of daggers joined to Persian maces of the devil or bullhead forms and also covered in either crocodile or monitor lizard hide. From the photos the age and the thuluth suggest end of 19th to early 20th century, but if these were indeed ritual items it would be hard to say, could be later. Interesting pommel form which seems variant and recalls the familiar hilts of the koummya daggers of Morocco, and which of course seem to have diffused throughout North Africa. It seems these really are somewhat unavailable typically, and most examples not as well made as these. All the best, Jim