Historic Saudi sabre sells for $1 m

[ALEX]

A nice saif. Likely 19th C Syrian indeed. The typical combination of "Ya qadi al-Hayat"(O Giver of Life) and Assad/Lion cartouches. Most likely a wootz blade. The silver scabbard looks gold-washed/plated(?). Let's refrain from making value-related comments and admire the meaningfulness and value placed on such weapons.
Congratulations to the new owner.
Here's news article..

Paris (AFP) - A rare sabre considered a "historic testimony" to the creation of modern-day Saudi Arabia sold for more than $1.2 million at an auction in France on Sunday.

The 24-carat-gold and steel sword, with an ivory handle and long curved blade, was bought for 955,400 euros over the phone "by a mysterious buyer who entered bidding mid-sale," said auctioneer Jean-Pierre Osenat.

The sword was a gift from Saudi King Abdul-Aziz bin Saud to Prince Ahmad Shah Khan in Afghanistan to mark the founding of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia on May 5, 1932.

The sabre, which has a blade nearly 79 centimetres (30 inches) long, was later sold to a private buyer.

It had been valued at between 800,000 and 1.2 million euros ahead of Sunday's auction. The sale provoked "very lively interest among collectors in the Middle East," the Osenat auction house said.

The sabre could be of 19th-century Syrian origin.

"The symbolism of the sabre is important in Arab countries," said Osenat's Jean-Christophe Chataignier.

"To offer a sabre is an act of definite friendship, loyalty, confidence and mutual protection between provider and beneficiary."

[Richard G]

To be honest, I don't think it is necessarily 19th century or Syrian. It looks to me like a very nice, but not untypical, Saudi Arabian presentation sword of the mid 20th century. The blade is probably Caucasian or Persian and the mounts most likely are Saudi Arabian manufacture. Similar swords were also given as gifts by the Emirs of Bahrain and probably other Gulf rulers.
Nevertheless, I would love to have it!
Regards
Richard

[AJ1356]

WOW, the price ofcourse. At first when I saw it I thought, wow another stolen item from Kabul museum.
The blade is of the Safavid royal work shop with the royal lion seal, has nothing to do with Assadullah, his name could be on the other side but still. It is a nice piece non the less.
If I remember correctly, the only Prince Ahmad Shah I can think of was the son of Zaher Shah, which would have been very young to not being born yet in 1932.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by AJ1356

WOW, the price ofcourse. At first when I saw it I thought, wow another stolen item from Kabul museum.
The blade is of the Safavid royal work shop with the royal lion seal, has nothing to do with Assadullah, his name could be on the other side but still. It is a nice piece non the less.
If I remember correctly, the only Prince Ahmad Shah I can think of was the son of Zaher Shah, which would have been very young to not being born yet in 1932.

Salaams AJ1356 ~ (Both paragraphs below refer to wikipedia pages on the subject Prince Ahmad Sah Khan and Saudia Arabia)

1.The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia was founded by Abdul-Aziz bin Saud (known for most of his career as Ibn Saud) in 1932. The sword must have been presented later...

2. Ahmad Shah, Crown Prince of Afghanistan (born 23 September 1934) is the second son of Mohammed Zahir Shah, the former King of Afghanistan, and the heir apparent to the throne of Afghanistan. Thus certainly after 1934 at least !!

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[mross]

Providence means everything!

[AJ1356]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams AJ1356 ~ (Both paragraphs below refer to wikipedia pages on the subject Prince Ahmad Sah Khan and Saudia Arabia)

1.The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia was founded by Abdul-Aziz bin Saud (known for most of his career as Ibn Saud) in 1932. The sword must have been presented later...

2. Ahmad Shah, Crown Prince of Afghanistan (born 23 September 1934) is the second son of Mohammed Zahir Shah, the former King of Afghanistan, and the heir apparent to the throne of Afghanistan. Thus certainly after 1934 at least !!

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Salaams Ibrahiim, If you look at the picture, it clearly shows an Afghan dignitary setting next to the Saudi King, and at the end of the caption it says 1932. The text is partly blocked by the sword. What I am saying is it might have been presented to the guy in the picture, not to prince Ahamd Shah.

Fun fact I went to the same school as Ahmad Shah, except I did not get thrown out of school, like he did. {apparently he kept failing} What a douche.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by AJ1356

Salaams Ibrahiim, If you look at the picture, it clearly shows an Afghan dignitary setting next to the Saudi King, and at the end of the caption it says 1932. The text is partly blocked by the sword. What I am saying is it might have been presented to the guy in the picture, not to prince Ahamd Shah.

Fun fact I went to the same school as Ahmad Shah, except I did not get thrown out of school, like he did. {apparently he kept failing} What a douche.

Salaams yes I saw that it is in two languages French and English...It refers to the date 1932... The birthdate of the Saudia Arabia formation. Not to the presentation date perhaps ~ but I am searching to find a picture of Ahmad Shah. Funny they chucked him out of school ! Anyway they posted him off to Oxford university later...I wonder if this is his brother in the picture?...checking...no its not him; Muhammed Akbar Khan was only a year older than him and died when only 9 years old... perhaps then it is the old king himself ? Anyway here is a picture of Ahmad Shah.

The sword looks like a Straight Street Damascus job... or could quite easily be a Saudia production. I have one like it worth a whole lot less!! but the price on your presentation subject is entirely ruled by the ruler giving it away in the picture.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[ALEX]

Originally Posted by Richard G

To be honest, I don't think it is necessarily 19th century or Syrian. It looks to me like a very nice, but not untypical, Saudi Arabian presentation sword of the mid 20th century. The blade is probably Caucasian or Persian and the mounts most likely are Saudi Arabian manufacture. Similar swords were also given as gifts by the Emirs of Bahrain and probably other Gulf rulers.
Nevertheless, I would love to have it!
Regards
Richard

This is true. Below are similar saifs gifted to Harry S. Truman by the royal family of Saudi Arabia, now on display in HST Library in Independence, Missouri.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by ALEX

This is true. Below are similar saifs gifted to Harry S. Truman by the royal family of Saudi Arabia, now on display in HST Library in Independence, Missouri.

Salaams Alex... So true about the presentation nature of this great sword design/style. Here is Wikipedia on Safavid;


The Safavid dynasty (Persian: سلسلهٔ صفويان‎; Azerbaijani: Səfəvilər imperiyası, صفویلر) was one of the most significant ruling dynasties of Persia (modern Iran), and is often considered the beginning of modern Persian history. They ruled one of the greatest Persian empires after the Muslim conquest of Persia and established the Twelver school of Shi'a Islam as the official religion of their empire, marking one of the most important turning points in Muslim history. The Safavids ruled from 1501 to 1722 (experiencing a brief restoration from 1729 to 1736) and at their height, they controlled all of modern Iran, Azerbaijan and Armenia, most of Iraq, Georgia, Afghanistan, and the Caucasus, as well as parts of Pakistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Turkey. Safavid Iran was one of the Islamic "gunpowder empires", along with its neighbours, the Ottoman and Mughal empires.

The Safavid dynasty had its origin in the Safaviyya Sufi order, which was established in the city of Ardabil in the Azerbaijan region. It was of mixed ancestry (Azerbaijani, Kurdish Persian and Turkmen, which included intermarriages with Georgian and Pontic Greek dignitaries). From their base in Ardabil, the Safavids established control over all of Greater Iran and reasserted the Iranian identity of the region, thus becoming the first native dynasty since the Sassanid Empire to establish a unified Iranian state.

Despite their demise in 1736, the legacy that they left behind was the revival of Persia as an economic stronghold between East and West, the establishment of an efficient state and bureaucracy based upon "checks and balances", their architectural innovations and their patronage for fine arts. The Safavids have also left their mark down to the present era by spreading Shi'a Islam in Iran, as well as major parts of the Caucasus, South Asia, Central Asia, and Anatolia.

Please see below for the Shah Abbas Sword. Taken from the picture by Nasser-sadeghi at https://www.google.com/search?q=safa...ient=firefox-a

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[ALEX]

The presence of Shah Abbas, Assad-Allah, etc. cartouches does not imply Safavid origin. this has been written and discussed so many times before So many of those cartouches were added later. The blade of presentation saif above is not Safavid. The one with two gold inlaid cartouches is more likely. but could be anywhere of 18-19 C i.e. early-late Qajar period.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by ALEX

The presence of Shah Abbas, Assad-Allah, etc. cartouches does not imply Safavid origin. this has been written and discussed so many times before So many of those cartouches were added later. The blade of presentation saif above is not Safavid. The one with two gold inlaid cartouches is more likely. but could be anywhere of 18-19 C i.e. early-late Qajar period.

Salaams... Oh yes quite absolutely ... Like many masters his name was appearing on blades for a few hundred years..The subject blade has a couple of cartouche but I can't make out the words...which may lead us to discover the makers name? Not frankly that it makes a lot of difference...anyway I cite the detail on Safavid so that Forum library ... and those members wishing to refresh on that detail can easily do so.

I find the price tag interesting since the detail appears incorrect ... and for that money I would want a certain degree of accuracy...since clearly it is the photo and accompanying documents that have pumped the price.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by ALEX

The presence of Shah Abbas, Assad-Allah, etc. cartouches does not imply Safavid origin. this has been written and discussed so many times before So many of those cartouches were added later. The blade of presentation saif above is not Safavid. The one with two gold inlaid cartouches is more likely. but could be anywhere of 18-19 C i.e. early-late Qajar period.

Salaams ALEX ~ As we understand it.. There was a lot of copying of the name of the great Syrian Sword Maker who was then employed at the Safavid Royal Court...in about 1600... and whose name appeared on blades and the name of the Safavid ruler whose name also appeared on blades. Assad Ullah the sword maker and Shah Abbas the ruler. I have to say I had to dash into my library and seek out The Safavids in a bid to half buff up on that difficult period.

If the sword is not Safavid can you id its provenance?

I hope someone may clarify who the Gentleman is being presented with the sword.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.