Keris Hilt : pop quiz

Newsteel · 3rd April 2008, 07:20 AM

I found this recently. Very interesting!!! Is this hilt for a Tajong, Coteng or Lampung ???

Alam Shah · 3rd April 2008, 08:56 AM

It's a simplified tajong hilt.

Smaller than usual.

PenangsangII · 3rd April 2008, 09:18 AM

I am sorry Newsteel, I think to be frank with you, it's a like AlamShah said, simplified tajung hilt - could be mass produced

A. G. Maisey · 3rd April 2008, 10:30 AM

Before I ask this question, I'd like to be very clear:-

I am not attacking anybody; this is a straight forward, plain question with no hidden agenda .

Lately I have seen several times the reference to "mass production" in discussions.

Exactly what do other members of this discussion group consider to be "mass production"?

David · 3rd April 2008, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Before I ask this question, I'd like to be very clear:-

I am not attacking anybody; this is a straight forward, plain question with no hidden agenda .

Lately I have seen several times the reference to "mass production" in discussions.

Exactly what do other members of this discussion group consider to be "mass production"?

I would have to second Alan's questioning of the term "mass production". I tend to think of it more along the lines of the Henry Ford model and it usually applies to larger items than keris hilts which need to be assembled. I think of machinery and conveyor belts and items which all turn out looking exactly the same as one another in mass quantities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_production
This hilt does appear to be a more modern and perhaps simplified tajong. At least it doesn't seem to follow the usually codified design pattern for tajong. Still it seems a fairly well executed carving. But i would question the idea that it was "mass produced".

Newsteel · 4th April 2008, 02:15 AM

I got this from my contact in Sumatra when I acquire keris Palembang from him. This hilt happened to be with him, said to come from Lampung.

New hilt no doubt but it got this smooth aged touch. I can't help but noticing the silimar features of a tajong and the super curling beak. It has slimmer width but of same length or size of a tajong. Even the carving, very much influenced by the tajong but there are also some floral motives too, similar to what found on some typical Sumatran hilt (keris panjang).

History, little information is known about Lampung (keris). But there is once a strong connection and influence between Lampung and Pattani/Northern Malaysia before Demak kingdom came into power.

3rd April 2008, 07:20 AM	#1
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	Keris Hilt : pop quiz I found this recently. Very interesting!!! Is this hilt for a Tajong, Coteng or Lampung ??? Attached Images

3rd April 2008, 08:56 AM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	It's a simplified tajong hilt. Smaller than usual.

3rd April 2008, 09:18 AM	#3
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I am sorry Newsteel, I think to be frank with you, it's a like AlamShah said, simplified tajung hilt - could be mass produced

3rd April 2008, 10:30 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Before I ask this question, I'd like to be very clear:- I am not attacking anybody; this is a straight forward, plain question with no hidden agenda . Lately I have seen several times the reference to "mass production" in discussions. Exactly what do other members of this discussion group consider to be "mass production"?

4th April 2008, 02:15 AM	#6
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	I got this from my contact in Sumatra when I acquire keris Palembang from him. This hilt happened to be with him, said to come from Lampung. New hilt no doubt but it got this smooth aged touch. I can't help but noticing the silimar features of a tajong and the super curling beak. It has slimmer width but of same length or size of a tajong. Even the carving, very much influenced by the tajong but there are also some floral motives too, similar to what found on some typical Sumatran hilt (keris panjang). History, little information is known about Lampung (keris). But there is once a strong connection and influence between Lampung and Pattani/Northern Malaysia before Demak kingdom came into power.