ACEH COJANG FOR TRANSLATION ,MALAY/ARABIC INSCRIPTION / STRANGE DATE

asomotif · 15th May 2012, 11:54 PM

Lucky, lucky me.
I was able to purchase a cojang/rudus with a very nice floral decorated hilt.

As a bonus it has an inscription. on the hilt.
The only part I can figure out, is the date, but this does note make sense to me. It looks like 2141 ?
Can the forumites help me to make sense of this ?

best regards,
Willem

Dom · 16th May 2012, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

It looks like 2141 ?
Can the forumites help me to make sense of this ?

Hi Willem
the Persians are not writing the date like the Arabs

I said "Persian" because the script is absolutely Persian, no doubt
and the date is 1412 either 2000 ...

for the mention wrote in Arabic alphabet, it's too late,
tomorrow I shall see if it's readable,
but major risk that it's in Farsi language ... as well as the date

à +

Dom

Rick · 16th May 2012, 03:47 AM

Jawi perhaps ?

Jentayu · 16th May 2012, 09:52 AM

Its Jawi. From the unclear picture I can deduced that the inscription reads as follows " lapan haribulan Rabiul Akhir" or "eight (8th) of Rabiul Akhir (a name of month in Islamic calendar).

asomotif · 16th May 2012, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jentayu

Its Jawi. From the unclear picture I can deduced that the inscription reads as follows " lapan haribulan Rabiul Akhir" or "eight (8th) of Rabiul Akhir (a name of month in Islamic calendar).

Thank you Jentayu,

These are pictures of the seller.
As I was not sure about the date I posted also a "mirrored" picture.

I hope to have the piece in hands later this week and will post better pictures then.

Thanks in advance btw for the quick response.

Best regards,
Willem

Maurice · 16th May 2012, 01:04 PM

Great to see you grabbed it Willem!
A very nicely carved hilt, and sure the text as a bonus, as it wasn't mentioned when it was for sale!

Maurice

Dom · 16th May 2012, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

out, is the date, but this does note make sense to me. It looks like 2141 ?
Can the forumites help me to make sense of this ?

in less than 5 post ... no more mystery
... we are a blo*dy fu*cking translators gang ... here

- Turkish Ottoman
- Arabic
- Farsi
- Jawi
- Tagalog
may be I forgot some other languages, nothing have a "mercy" with us
we are terrific at "Ethnografic Arms & Armor"

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Dom

Sajen · 16th May 2012, 06:21 PM

Hello Willem,

congrats, never seen a cojang with such a nice carved handle!

Regards,

Detlef

kronckew · 16th May 2012, 09:19 PM

1412 in the persian calendar would be 2033 a.d. suspect that might be wrong

1412 in the arabic hijri is 1991 a.d. a bit more reasonable.

the last char. looks more like a 6 to me tho.

1416 = 1995

the '4' appears to be backwards... not unusual with dyslexic not very well edumacated non-arabs using the script in their own language.

p.s. while arabic is written right to left, numbers are always left to right like ours. we of course adopted the numerals & place system from the arabs. (though not the calendar)

for future reference:

Dom · 17th May 2012, 07:16 PM

Good day
after have reviewed the subject with my translator, here below our suggestions

in Arabic the word
SANA either DATE

the end of a sentence, wrote apparently in Jawi, see the post of our friend "Jentayu"
for what we haven't a translation to offer, we read only because in Arabic;
RABÎ'A AL AWAL (ربيع الأول in Arabic) either 3RD MONTH OF ISLAMIC CALENDAR

now, the more delicate ... I must apologize, I've completely off the rails

... the digits mentioned on the hilt ... we guess that we have to have to read 1317

(European digits)
but, PLEASE don't ask for me, which is the calendar involved ??

too many calendars are in used in Malaysia or around, here a link very intructive
http://halah-mbuh.blogspot.fr/2011/0...-calendar.html

sorry again, to have took my dreams for a reality

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Dom

asomotif · 17th May 2012, 11:37 PM

Thank you very much Dom.
You are a great help to me (and others)

Indeed your sugestion that the date is in european digits is probably the best explanation.
1317 would than equal the year 1899 in western calender.
This also seems more logical with the style and age of the piece.

I hope that Mohd can join in and help with the inscription too.
He was also of great help on another translation case I had last year :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=rencong

Best regards,
Willem

15th May 2012, 11:54 PM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	ACEH COJANG FOR TRANSLATION ,MALAY/ARABIC INSCRIPTION / STRANGE DATE Lucky, lucky me. I was able to purchase a cojang/rudus with a very nice floral decorated hilt. As a bonus it has an inscription. on the hilt. The only part I can figure out, is the date, but this does note make sense to me. It looks like 2141 ? Can the forumites help me to make sense of this ? best regards, Willem Attached Images

16th May 2012, 09:19 PM	#9
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,184	1412 in the persian calendar would be 2033 a.d. suspect that might be wrong 1412 in the arabic hijri is 1991 a.d. a bit more reasonable. the last char. looks more like a 6 to me tho. 1416 = 1995 the '4' appears to be backwards... not unusual with dyslexic not very well edumacated non-arabs using the script in their own language. p.s. while arabic is written right to left, numbers are always left to right like ours. we of course adopted the numerals & place system from the arabs. (though not the calendar) for future reference: Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 16th May 2012 at 09:53 PM.

17th May 2012, 07:16 PM	#10
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Good day after have reviewed the subject with my translator, here below our suggestions in Arabic the word SANA either DATE the end of a sentence, wrote apparently in Jawi, see the post of our friend "Jentayu" for what we haven't a translation to offer, we read only because in Arabic; RABÎ'A AL AWAL (ربيع الأول in Arabic) either 3RD MONTH OF ISLAMIC CALENDAR now, the more delicate ... I must apologize, I've completely off the rails ... the digits mentioned on the hilt ... we guess that we have to have to read 1317 (European digits) but, PLEASE don't ask for me, which is the calendar involved ?? too many calendars are in used in Malaysia or around, here a link very intructive http://halah-mbuh.blogspot.fr/2011/0...-calendar.html sorry again, to have took my dreams for a reality à + Dom Attached Images

16th May 2012, 03:47 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Jawi perhaps ?

16th May 2012, 09:52 AM	#4
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 61	Its Jawi. From the unclear picture I can deduced that the inscription reads as follows " lapan haribulan Rabiul Akhir" or "eight (8th) of Rabiul Akhir (a name of month in Islamic calendar).

16th May 2012, 01:04 PM	#6
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,346	Great to see you grabbed it Willem! A very nicely carved hilt, and sure the text as a bonus, as it wasn't mentioned when it was for sale! Maurice

16th May 2012, 06:21 PM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Hello Willem, congrats, never seen a cojang with such a nice carved handle! Regards, Detlef

17th May 2012, 11:37 PM	#11
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Thank you very much Dom. You are a great help to me (and others) Indeed your sugestion that the date is in european digits is probably the best explanation. 1317 would than equal the year 1899 in western calender. This also seems more logical with the style and age of the piece. I hope that Mohd can join in and help with the inscription too. He was also of great help on another translation case I had last year : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=rencong Best regards, Willem