English silverhilted hanger 17thC

cornelistromp · 4th March 2019, 07:58 PM

this silver hilted hanger does not fit in my collection that mainly consists of pre 1600 or clear Dutch, but it was too nice to pass up....unfortunately

M ELEY · 5th March 2019, 05:07 AM

Jasper, that is an amazing hanger! Beautiful silver work and I love the face on the pommel cap! I see it was made by the Wundes family. The length of it perhaps indicates it wasn't just a hunting implement, but a weapon as well. The grotesque monsters and faces were popular on English and Dutch swords of this period. Since it is something different for you, feel free to let me reduce your stress and take it off your hands for you!!

Mark

cornelistromp · 5th March 2019, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

Jasper, that is an amazing hanger! Beautiful silver work and I love the face on the pommel cap! I see it was made by the Wundes family. The length of it perhaps indicates it wasn't just a hunting implement, but a weapon as well. The grotesque monsters and faces were popular on English and Dutch swords of this period. Since it is something different for you, feel free to let me reduce your stress and take it off your hands for you!!

Mark

I reserve your proposal and come back to you if the stress is indeed too heavy to handle.

best,
Jasper

Jim McDougall · 5th March 2019, 08:40 PM

I agree Cap'n Mark, the heft and profile of that blade along with the amazing silver suggests some profound possibilities of nautical context

perhaps an officers hanger/cutlass?
Jasper, with Dutch and English so closely connected in this period, could this weapon have been indiscriminate enough to fit into your collection on those grounds?

cornelistromp · 6th March 2019, 11:45 AM

this type of hangers were not necessarily worn during the hunt but often in civilian outfit.
that it is purely English does not really bother me,... it is a beautiful stranger

best,
Jasper

M ELEY · 6th March 2019, 12:23 PM

Truly so, Jasper, a beautiful piece! As Jim indicated, it very well might have seen sea service, as many officers at the time carried fine hangers such as this. Brass and silver hilts were supplanting the earlier iron hilts, as they were resistant to salty air and rust. The sea monster head/dog head quillon on yours is so reminiscent of the so called 'dog head' English naval cutlasses of the same period, themselves resembling the kastane.

4th March 2019, 07:58 PM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	English silverhilted hanger 17thC this silver hilted hanger does not fit in my collection that mainly consists of pre 1600 or clear Dutch, but it was too nice to pass up....unfortunately Attached Images

6th March 2019, 12:23 PM	#6
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,097	Truly so, Jasper, a beautiful piece! As Jim indicated, it very well might have seen sea service, as many officers at the time carried fine hangers such as this. Brass and silver hilts were supplanting the earlier iron hilts, as they were resistant to salty air and rust. The sea monster head/dog head quillon on yours is so reminiscent of the so called 'dog head' English naval cutlasses of the same period, themselves resembling the kastane. Attached Images

5th March 2019, 05:07 AM	#2
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,097	Jasper, that is an amazing hanger! Beautiful silver work and I love the face on the pommel cap! I see it was made by the Wundes family. The length of it perhaps indicates it wasn't just a hunting implement, but a weapon as well. The grotesque monsters and faces were popular on English and Dutch swords of this period. Since it is something different for you, feel free to let me reduce your stress and take it off your hands for you!! Mark

5th March 2019, 08:40 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,946	I agree Cap'n Mark, the heft and profile of that blade along with the amazing silver suggests some profound possibilities of nautical context perhaps an officers hanger/cutlass? Jasper, with Dutch and English so closely connected in this period, could this weapon have been indiscriminate enough to fit into your collection on those grounds?

6th March 2019, 11:45 AM	#5
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	this type of hangers were not necessarily worn during the hunt but often in civilian outfit. that it is purely English does not really bother me,... it is a beautiful stranger best, Jasper