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Join Date: May 2006
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On Sunday 16 july 2006 we have small group of thai who interest in Weapons
MR.Parinya Sanyadet born in Ayutthaya prov. He found many weapons (and part) 16C - 19C from underground and in the River. Art on weapons and Technic to made and how to use diff. from Burmese and Cambodia Weapons Sword 18c ![]() Knife 19c ![]() Part of knife & Sword ![]() Big Blades Knife 19c ![]() |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand
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The first pic shows the highlight of the meeting. They are example of swords found in Ayuthaya city core, especially in Wat KaiTia (a temple in Ayuthaya) and surrounding area. Tons of these blade recovered from river bed and sold as salvage steel during past 30+ years. We hypothesized that the blade 's a style of mid-Ayuthaya period. Some of them might be dated to earlier period since they come together with gold decorative which are associated with early Ayuthaya. We concluded that this is one of a major style (from many) blade, used in that period (C15?-C18). They share some common characteristics which are...
1. Clip point+False edge (60-90 degree edge angle), from the tip upto 1-3 inches. Looks very similar to Bowie knife. 2. Tips are not very pointy (wide tip angle), in the most case, tip's curvature are only cover the first few inches. 3. Blade chest/waist (aka, ratio of blade width at 1/4 and 3/4 from the tip) 's close to 1. In some case, the ratio is <1. Unlike the later Rattanakosin blades which has >1 ratio. 4. An important point, they almost always carry a little inner ferrule (1/8"-2/8" thick), called PaGan. This is an important device which are keeping their tang securely in place and also reducing hand shock (we concluded from reconstructed blades, with and without this ring). 5. Style of the spine 's what I call single taper, almost no taper. The spine 's almost in parallel upto the beginning of false edge. And in most case, the spine carry 2-3 little "V" upsetting, looks very similar to lotus petal decorative. Some of them come up with a little guard and longer blade but still carrying the typical features. Last edited by PUFF; 19th July 2006 at 12:11 PM. |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand
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This is an example of utility knife, found in Ayuthaya city and surrounding area. Please note that the clip point style is preserved. The round butt hilt 's typical design for commoner 's item. Unlike Burmese 's small sword, many Ayuthaya 's utility knives seems to have upward hilts.
![]() Even a bigger chopper which seems to be ancestors of moden "Meed Hneb". ![]() |
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Fascinating pics. Thanks gentleman!!
The last pic of the choppers I find especially interesting because it changes a bit my perceptions of blade types from that area. These almost have an Indo Malay klewang or golok look about them. I am wondering if one culture may have influenced the other, and if so in which direction that influence flowed. |
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Yes, thank you both, and your fellow collectors at the meeting. This is like cool water to a man in the desert to me!
![]() If I understand #4 correctly, Ayutthaya daab have a more uniform width (meaning edge-to-spine) than Ratanakosin daab? Looking the other way, Ratanakosin daab bulge out more toward the tip? The PaGan is an interesting feature. Is it something that you can only see when the handle is removed? There is not one visible on my Ayutthaya daab (http://dharesearch.bowditch.us/0056.htm). |
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What great find! I'm always fascinated by Thai weapons and the origin about the style of technique in using them in war, which I heard is unbeatable (I don't if anyone would disagree, but I believe it)! Ayutthaya means unbeatable anyway, but it was sacked by the Burmese twice but only by internal bickering, corruption and collaberators. Well, I guess then it's not unbeatable! Ha! Thanks for sharing Kun Bancha!
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