ID help with my collection

[christek]

Hello, my name is Chris and I am a new member to this forum and to sword collecting. I am a history teacher but by no means a sword expert. I have only recently purchased three swords and hope to get many more. I currently have 2 (19th Century?) Tulwars and what I believe is a 1875 Spanish officer’s sword. These pieces were not very expensive so I am not going to be too surprised if they are not genuine, but they do seem quite old. One Tulwar is obviously missing the pommel guard but I still like the appearance. The other Tulwar has a very small grip; I can barely fit my hand on it, is that normal? There does not appear to be any markings on any of the blades besides the markings shown: 1875 and Toledo in the photos. I would like someone who knows more than myself to help me ID these pieces, or confirm my findings. Regards.

[fernando]

Hi Christek
Welcome to the forum.
Still no photos attached

[Dom]

Originally Posted by christek

These pieces were not very expensive so I am not going to be too surprised if they are not genuine, but they do seem quite old.

Welcome christek
here we never judge our edged weapons according with the money we paid to get it,
in fact we NEVER talk about money, it's indecent between us
nevertheless we have a forum for commercial exchange
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=8
the main criteria is as well as you said yourself, this sword, or this dagger is pleasant for you,
that is the essential matter

your Tulwars are real Indian weapons, but it's not exactly my field,
there are some guys more informed than me, could be able to bring you an acute answer

about the Spanish officer’s sword, please consult may be
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=12

good start with these three items

all the best

à +

Dom

[christek]

Hi Dom, Thanks for reply

Originally Posted by Dom

Welcome christek
here we never judge our edged weapons according with the money we paid to get it,
in fact we NEVER talk about money, it's indecent between us

I understand and think that’s great! I will refrain from using any monetary terms in this forum.

I have always had a few replica swords that I love, but I have just found out having the real thing is even more pleasant! I hope to learn a lot more and be able to contribute to this great site! Thanks for the links and the advice.

Cheers

[David R]

Small hilts are the norm with Tulwars, partly because the locals are generaly a fine boned race, and partly because sometimes , (hunting swords in particular ) they are gripped with the forefinger over the guard.

[VANDOO]

CONGRADULATIONS ALL THREE LOOK AUTHENTIC TO ME. NONE ARE IN MY FIELD BUT THE TWO TULWAR APPEAR TO BE OLD ONES MOST LIKELY FROM SOME OLD INDIA ARSENAL. LARGE STOCKS OF THESE WERE FOUND IN MOST ARSENALS OF THE TIMES SOME EVEN HAVE VERY GOOD BLADES, WOOTZ IS NOT UNKNOWN.
THESE ARSNEAL SWORDS ARE A GOOD PLACE TO START TO LEARN ABOUT INDIAN SWORDS AS THEY ARE NOT EXPENSIVE AND NO ONE HAS MADE REPLICAS OR EXPENSIVE FAKES TO SELL AS REAL OLD ONES.

[christek]

Originally Posted by VANDOO

CONGRADULATIONS ALL THREE LOOK AUTHENTIC TO ME. NONE ARE IN MY FIELD BUT THE TWO TULWAR APPEAR TO BE OLD ONES MOST LIKELY FROM SOME OLD INDIA ARSENAL. LARGE STOCKS OF THESE WERE FOUND IN MOST ARSENALS OF THE TIMES SOME EVEN HAVE VERY GOOD BLADES, WOOTZ IS NOT UNKNOWN.
THESE ARSNEAL SWORDS ARE A GOOD PLACE TO START TO LEARN ABOUT INDIAN SWORDS AS THEY ARE NOT EXPENSIVE AND NO ONE HAS MADE REPLICAS OR EXPENSIVE FAKES TO SELL AS REAL OLD ONES.

Hi Vandoo,

Thank you for your reply, after some more research I am of the opinion that these are authentic. The tulwars could be as old as 1800 up to 1900, it is very hard to find out a more comprehensive date. The blades appear to be in good condition (the complete tulwar is also very sharp). I understand many from this period may have been constructed using British made blades, but I am yet to discover how one would know this in the absence of markings. I love my tulwars and hope to obtain more or them. In the meantime I will read up as much as I can about them to learn more regarding the ID of these swords. Regards.

[christek]

Originally Posted by David R

Small hilts are the norm with Tulwars, partly because the locals are generaly a fine boned race, and partly because sometimes , (hunting swords in particular ) they are gripped with the forefinger over the guard.

Hi David,
Yes that makes sense- The tulwar appears to have a better feel to it when one puts a forefinger over the guard, at least with my hand anyway. It appears easier to control, but if if I was to swing this in battle I think it would cause me a hand injury!

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by christek

Hi David,
Yes that makes sense- The tulwar appears to have a better feel to it when one puts a forefinger over the guard, at least with my hand anyway. It appears easier to control, but if if I was to swing this in battle I think it would cause me a hand injury!

Salaams christek ~ Welcome to the Forum. Nice to start with Indian weapons(It is a giant) and for a great review see the thread about the Indian Museum ...type into search ~ Chowmahalla Palace Arms Collection ~ great pictures abound !
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Emanuel]

Hi Chris, welcome to the forum!

The shape of the two tulwar hilts is often associated with Sikhs. Don't recall the source on that, but it comes with the caveat that Sikhs, like everyone else in India, used whatever was available, regardless of details. That said, the rosette pommel "washer" points to Rajasthani work. Late 19th century in my opinion.

Regards,
Emanuel

[christek]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams christek ~ Welcome to the Forum. Nice to start with Indian weapons(It is a giant) and for a great review see the thread about the Indian Museum ...type into search ~ Chowmahalla Palace Arms Collection ~ great pictures abound !
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Salaams Ibrahiim,

Thank you for your reply and the link- What a great collection! I love the unusual shapes and designs of some of those weapons. I now want an Indian round shield to go with my Tulwars! One thing I noticed in that collection, was that most (if not all) the tulwar pommel spikes (sorry for the uneducated labelling ) are all rounded, while on the pieces I own they appear to be more pointed. I wonder if this is just a coincidence, or if this may be somewhat of a tool we can use to establish the make/era of the tulwars.
Regards.