2 Javanese krisses

Paul B. · 29th February 2020, 12:27 PM

Hi,

These 2 blades (in Djogjakarta dress) are coming my way. Pics from seller.
Attracted by the elegant blades and wonder what dapur we see.
It is a 7 luk and a 3 luk (usually called Jangkung). The last strech of the 7 luk is quite straight (I know this feature is present in a Megantara blade but there is no further similarity).
Pamor is standard Beras wutah of Ngulit semangka?
Hope anybody will enlight me.

Marcokeris · 29th February 2020, 02:09 PM

layers pamor (from pic) seems Beras Wutah

Jean · 29th February 2020, 02:53 PM

5 luks and not 3?

This dapur could be identified as Balebang according to the EK.

Marcokeris · 29th February 2020, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

5 luks and not 3?

This dapur could be identified as Balebang according to the EK.

Yes you are right Jean ...also I see 5 luks.... but dapur is not Urap Urap?

Paul B. · 29th February 2020, 04:59 PM

Somehow it troubles me to count the faint luk.
Left is 7 luk (or 6 but then luk 7 is worn?).
Right one 3 luk?
Which is the Balebang then Jean?

David · 29th February 2020, 05:46 PM

Paul, i see a 7 luk keris on the left and a 5 luk keris on the right. A faint luk is still a luk and keris always have an odd number of luk even if time has worn its obvious completion away.

Jean · 29th February 2020, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Paul, i see a 7 luk keris on the left and a 5 luk keris on the right. A faint luk is still a luk and keris always have an odd number of luk even if time has worn its obvious completion away.

I agree with David. According to the EK there is a dapur Balebang type with 5 luks incuding a kembang kacang, lambe gajah, pejetan, tikel alis, twin sogokan, and sraweyan, but it is not mentioned in the books Dhapur and Keris Jawa. Both blades do not exactly meet any of the Surakarta standard dhapur types.

Mickey the Finn · 1st March 2020, 08:14 AM

If I may contribute my two cents worth: in my unlearned and inexperienced opinion, my first impression of the keris in the middle photo is that the luk all have a certain "straightness and angularity"; there is no smoothly flowing, graceful curvature, to my eye. I haven't yet had a look at the ricikan, but if and/or when I do so, I suspect they will either confirm or not confirm a hypothesis I've formed about the "angular straightness" of the luk. Until then, it might be best not to "put my foot in it" any deeper than I already have, or to go out any further on an untried limb.

Paul B. · 1st March 2020, 12:27 PM

At my PC modem there is no 'middle' picture (we have had this discussion before). So you mean the 5 luk kris.
Luk kemba (so faint flowing) yes, but angular ?? I would not call 'm that way.

David · 29th February 2020, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul B.

Which is the Balebang then Jean?

i tend to doubt that either of your keris are dhapur Balebang.

29th February 2020, 12:27 PM	#1
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	2 Javanese krisses Hi, These 2 blades (in Djogjakarta dress) are coming my way. Pics from seller. Attracted by the elegant blades and wonder what dapur we see. It is a 7 luk and a 3 luk (usually called Jangkung). The last strech of the 7 luk is quite straight (I know this feature is present in a Megantara blade but there is no further similarity). Pamor is standard Beras wutah of Ngulit semangka? Hope anybody will enlight me. Attached Images

1st March 2020, 12:27 PM	#9
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	At my PC modem there is no 'middle' picture (we have had this discussion before). So you mean the 5 luk kris. Luk kemba (so faint flowing) yes, but angular ?? I would not call 'm that way. Last edited by Paul B.; 1st March 2020 at 03:04 PM.

29th February 2020, 02:09 PM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	layers pamor (from pic) seems Beras Wutah

29th February 2020, 02:53 PM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	5 luks and not 3? This dapur could be identified as Balebang according to the EK.

29th February 2020, 04:59 PM	#5
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Somehow it troubles me to count the faint luk. Left is 7 luk (or 6 but then luk 7 is worn?). Right one 3 luk? Which is the Balebang then Jean?

29th February 2020, 05:46 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,126	Paul, i see a 7 luk keris on the left and a 5 luk keris on the right. A faint luk is still a luk and keris always have an odd number of luk even if time has worn its obvious completion away.

1st March 2020, 08:14 AM	#8
Mickey the Finn Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 90	If I may contribute my two cents worth: in my unlearned and inexperienced opinion, my first impression of the keris in the middle photo is that the luk all have a certain "straightness and angularity"; there is no smoothly flowing, graceful curvature, to my eye. I haven't yet had a look at the ricikan, but if and/or when I do so, I suspect they will either confirm or not confirm a hypothesis I've formed about the "angular straightness" of the luk. Until then, it might be best not to "put my foot in it" any deeper than I already have, or to go out any further on an untried limb.