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Old 2nd July 2006, 06:23 PM   #1
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Talking Valient Kujang Macan

I just bought a Kujang Macan from Valient America (Bill Wray ) and can't find any information on the net about it.
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It's the upper weapon shown below.




Can anyone tell me anything about the knife, its history and usage.
It does look like it would go hand-in-hand with the "Heartless Monkey" style of silat, but I really don't know.

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Old 2nd July 2006, 06:30 PM   #2
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Hi Jerry ,
A little info ;
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=kudi
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Also
http://old.blades.free.fr/
look under spears .
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Old 2nd July 2006, 06:59 PM   #3
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Hi Jerry ,
A little info ;
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=kudi
post #15

Also
http://old.blades.free.fr/
look under spears .
Super, Rick. You are faster than a speeding bullet and sharp as a tach (pardon pun please). Thank you. Much to absorb!
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Old 2nd July 2006, 07:18 PM   #4
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De nada Amigo,
I think there's a few more tidbits in forum search using kujang as keyword .

Seems there were a few forms of this esoteric item ; possibly Alan may add some comments when his side of the world wakes up .

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Old 3rd July 2006, 04:00 AM   #5
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Hello,
Just my two-bobs' worth:
The Kujang was a practical utensil, a symbol of one's status/authority and a weapon.
The Kujang is synonymous with the Sunda people of West Java (Parahyangan). It has also become synonymous with the kingdom of Pajajaran ( the unification of the Sunda and Galuh kingdoms, 1482). The Sunda were known as 'the mountain people' whose avatar was the tiger, while Galuh people were known as 'the water people', with the crocodile as their avatar.
The Kujang was actively developed post 1357, when the Sunda ruler severed all ties (including familial) with Majapait, after the incident known as 'The Bubat Massacre'.
The Kujang has it's own 'pakem'/protocol.
I believe that the Kujang was restricted to the ruling class, theologians and certain classes of women. The common folk used other weapons such as, bedog, congkrang etc. Were they to have used Kujangs, they would have been in the simple 'scythe/sickle' form for farming purposes.
The Kujang has the following types, based on the shape of the 'waruga'/body:
- 'arit'/scythe/sickle
- 'ciung'/starling
- 'jago'/cockerel
- 'kuntul'/egret
- 'bangkong'/frog
- 'naga'/serpent
- 'badak'/rhinoceros
All the above also have the necessary/appropriate blade decorations/details.

The ownership of a particular type of Kujang is determined by the duties and functions of the owner.

As for the Kujang Macan:
I believe that it is a recent construct, by people not too steeped in tradition. If such a Kujang had existed in the past, it would more likely have been called Kujang Maung. Even then, the Empus would have risked the wrath of 'Maung Kajajaden'.... hardly likely....

I apologise for any drivel.
Hope it helps.. and encourages other people to expand, clarify, refute....

Cheers.
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Old 4th July 2006, 06:39 AM   #6
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Pak Pangeran this explain is very interist

Please can Pak Pangeran tell from where this explain for kujang

Terima kasih banyak.

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Old 7th July 2006, 01:33 PM   #7
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As for the Kujang Macan:
I believe that it is a recent construct, by people not too steeped in tradition. If such a Kujang had existed in the past, it would more likely have been called Kujang Maung. Even then, the Empus would have risked the wrath of 'Maung Kajajaden'.... hardly likely....

I apologise for any drivel.
Hope it helps.. and encourages other people to expand, clarify, refute....

Cheers.
Drivel? Hardly! This is facinating material.

Thanks to all who responded. You have cracked open a window of culture and history that I was previously unaware of.

Scholar Pangeran Datu, I find your statement about empus risking wrath of 'Maung Kajajaden' of great interest. I can find neither any english web pages, nor free on-line translators. Might you (or anyone) expand on this subject a bit.
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