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hallo everyone,
I have never seen kriss sajen like this one... I would really appreciate any help you can give me to recognize what kriss is??? regard |
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The answer is probably yes and no. This is a thoroughly modern creation, but it is done in the style of keris sajen, having an all-in-one construction of all metal. But i somehow doubt it has the same talismanic intention that a true keris sajen would have so perhaps it needs a different name. It seems like a keris created for collection to me. As such is is an attractive piece.
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Hmmm... a mixed styled. A modern creation. How about "Keris Pandawa Sajen" for a name. Dapur style looks like Pandawa Luk 5 with a sajen styled hilt. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Hartcone, can you please add some close up of the part near the base (Ganja). You have a very intresting shaped elephant tongue there.
Its probably not an old blade, but it seems to have some quality. Would love to see more. |
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Hi,
This sort of form remind me a picture of keris by Van Duuren, Kerisses: A Critical Bibliography, page 105 Ria |
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Alam Shah,
Yes, I agree that the blade is not 100% similiar especially on the gold work and the luk number. In respect of having a gold on the blade, I have quoted below from The world Of The Javenese Keris, by Solyom, page 23, "......in part perharps because when patinated its smooth black surface was subtly handsome and in striking contrast to gold, but more perharps because of the powers associated with it" From my personal point of view, if I referred Hartcone's blade, it is not about having a good work of art (gold work), but it is more about to enhance it talismanic value. Ria |
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I dunno, Ria, my feeling is that this is probably a modern piece and as such i doubt there is any talismanic intention in it.
BTW, the passage you quote from Solyom is completely out of context. He is not even talking about keris in this passage, but explaining that other objects such as buckles, nut cutters and other small accessories might have been made out of patinated iron by mpus and may even have pamor. He explains that this was not only because the smooth black surface was considered handsome, but also because of the accepted powers associated with iron. So i don't see how this quote applies here. I have never seen a talismanic keris sajen with kinatah before. Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but i am not sure that such decoration is in keeping with the intention of the keris sajen. |
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![]() Could you elaborate how does having the one-piece construction or the metal hilt enhance it talismanic value? The reason I asked is, because I have a similar type which I hope you could assist. http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php This one-piece type with a longer conventional keris blade, any idea when did this form started to appear? Or had it evolved from a ceremonial piece into its existing modern form? |
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That is an interesting keris Shahrial. Didn't we talk about this one once before? I don't remember the thread exactly. Is the hilt welded on? It certainly appears as if it is a seperate piece since there is a seperate gonjo. The blade itself looks old, but the gold work looks new. Have you ever had the inscriptions translated?
I'm not sure i would classify your keris as sajen either, since it seems to have a seperate gonjo and hilt (even if the hilt is welded, it still must be seperate). But it seems to be more than just a keris made for collection purpose. What is it about this keris that gives you the impression it was used by a healer? |
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![]() Ria, no problem on you misunderstanding of Solyom's passage. Your English is better than my Indo. ![]() ![]() |
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It's clear I have mislead the passage. At begining, my understanding is about gold to relate with the power. I have to admit my English is not good , English is not my first language at home and I have tried my best to write in this forum. I have never seen before a keris sajen with kinatah work either. Quote:
Sorry, I could not assist you on this. Looking on your blade with inscription, I strongly believed, it should something about talismanic (tangkal/azimat) which is something common on Malay society. Alam Shah, I believed the inscription is not taken from Quran (ayat Al Quran?). Ria |
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haha...
![]() hybrid kriss 'pandawa sajen'.... Quote:
i'll post the detail soon... many thx for any comment to my pandawa sajen kriss.... ![]() regard |
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