Naga Axe

Bill M · 28th July 2008, 04:53 AM

Overall length = 32"
lade width = 6"

These were used as agricultural implements, wood carving and war.
Comments?

Tim Simmons · 28th July 2008, 07:35 PM

Looking nice Bill. Looks like a tool to carve up people rather than for woodwork.

katana · 28th July 2008, 08:14 PM

Hi Bill,
the use of hair/fur on many ethnic weapons (handle end) is to aid grip especially in the presence of blood, which is remarkedly slippery when fresh

Am I correct in saying that it has only one sharp edge (opposite to the rounded protuberance ) Nice thing

Kind Regards David

Bill M · 29th July 2008, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

Hi Bill,
the use of hair/fur on many ethnic weapons (handle end) is to aid grip especially in the presence of blood, which is remarkedly slippery when fresh

Am I correct in saying that it has only one sharp edge (opposite to the rounded protuberance ) Nice thing

Kind Regards David

You are correct about the sharp edge.

The seller, a private collector is certain this is 19th century.

It could be. Since many of these ethnographic weapons are made in the same way for many, many years, I have trouble absolutely stating age unless it has been in a private collection for a length of time. I have found that even objects pictured in old books do not provide absolute authentication it is THAT original object in the book.

In many cases, I have seen objects made FROM a picture in an old book, then the counterfeiter claims it is the same item, alluding to the picture and claiming that picture was taken of the item many years ago.

This is particularly common in African masks, statues and fetishes. Obviously this is much more common in high end, expensive artifacts than in most ethnographic weapons that usually command comparatively lower prices.

I have several of these in different configurations including two that are all metal, handle and head. Below is a picture showing one like the one in this tread. The picture was taken in 1873-1875.

In the lower left quadrant you can see a Naga ax remarkably similar to mine.

RhysMichael · 29th July 2008, 01:15 PM

I can't help but wonder if certain shaped dao were more common with certain tribal groups. I can't find anything to support that. I have a few pictures of dao and those carrying them but none are exactly like the one you have posted though several have protrusions from the back
The first one the only notation I have is dao from Arunachal Pradesh The second is a photo of an Ang and is labeled as Naga and Konyak

Bill M · 29th July 2008, 02:47 PM

Thank you for your replies and I ceratinly welcome more discussion.

I have quite a few Naga artifacts, including one large house pillar with seven stylized buffalo heads, three human heads and an animal.

I suggest a very good book on the Naga, "THE NAGAS, hill peoples of Northeast India" by Julian Jacobs.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...881/ref=lp_g_1

Nonoy Tan · 30th July 2008, 06:02 AM

Very nice piece, Bill. Looking forward to seeing your other Naga weapons!

What sort of hair are those?

Anybody knows the definite origin and history of the Naga axe?

Bill M · 30th July 2008, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nonoy Tan

Very nice piece, Bill. Looking forward to seeing your other Naga weapons!

What sort of hair are those?

Anybody knows the definite origin and history of the Naga axe?

Will post some more pictures.

This is probably goat hair.

Still researching origins, but looks like it was originally an agricultural instrument like the Philippines' Panabas.

I have another Naga ax that was carried in the small of the back in a cowrie -- Nagas called "cowrie" shells, "enemies teeth." Shells were sometimes used as currency. They were valuable because Nagaland is landlocked and to get shells meant traveling through dangerous territory.

The first two pictures show this belt and Naga axe. This belonged to a wealthy guy, possibly an Ang.

The third picture is a rare Naga chest ornament with five heads (taken by the original wearer); the monkeys were animals that warned of approaching enemies and the ox or buffalo is a symbol of virility. It is probable that the Naga maidens lined up for this guy -- lets say that he never had a problem finding a date!

Dajak · 30th July 2008, 05:17 PM

Hi Bill there is a lot off new old makestuf (fake) on the market off the naga .

Try to get this cataloque the nagas from Grata Somare and Leonardo Vigorelli

this is from 1992 an exibition in Galleria Lorenzelli

Also working on this book is M. Alemchiba he is the Director of the Naga Institute of Art and Culture and of the National Museum of Kohima Nagaland.
He is also the author of studies on the history and culture of his homeland ,
being the most renown expert .

Bonid Behari Goswami has been the joint Director of the Anthropological Survey of India until 1991 and visiting fellow in the Indian Institute of Advanced study Shimla .
This guy is also known for his authoritative contribution on the people
of Mizoram,Nagaland,Manipur and Assam.

This give you an better impression on the authentic Naga stuff .

Don't Forget that the English people has been in that area a long time
the most real thing you can find overthere in very old collections taken whit them more than 100 years ago .

Ben

ps also nice is Art of Nagaland (the barbier-muller collection geneva

catalogue Los Angels county museum of art july19,1984--february 10, 1985

Bill M · 31st July 2008, 01:27 PM

Thank you for the book recommendations, Ben. I shall endeavor to acquire them.

I have a friend who lives in Kathmandu. He is very close with some of the Naga. He goes on regular pilgrimages to visit. He rides a motorcycle into the back areas and sits with shamen around a campfire, and discusses "old ways."

He is sad that the Christianization of the Naga has resulted, as it usually does, in a loss of heritage, a loss of their pre-contact culture. But if you go deep enough into the outback, there are powerful vestiges of this once great culture.

He is married to a Nepalese Hill tribe woman whose aunt is a practicing shaman. I have some of her artifacts as well.

I think that you are right in saying that many of the good Naga artifacts are in private collections, outside of Nagaland.

But, the bottom line in any collecting is that you can never really be sure that you have an authentic artifact. Even great museums have been fooled. There are countless examples, as well as other experts.

Usually I buy from private collectors, international art dealers and relatives of missionaries who brought pieces back.

Since I collect in many arenas, I can not possibly be expert in all of these venues. So when I just find something I like, run it by various of experts in my acquaintance, and if they have a good feel about it, I buy it -- sometimes I buy even if they don't like it.

It is ultimately my choice, as one of my mentors once said, "It is you who have to live with it."

But I rarely buy ethnographic pieces as "investments." My investments are in commercial real estate, and there, perhaps only there, I am the expert.

This gives me the time and funding to indulge in my hobby -- my passion -- for art as I see it.

Bill M · 31st July 2008, 01:44 PM

Ben,

Have been searching for the books and catalogs you have so kindly mentioned. Is this one of them?

SOMARÉ,GRATA & LEONARDO VIGORELLI. "The Nagas. Disciplined Forms of Beauty." Bergamo, 1992. 206 pp. Col. & b./w. ills. Stiff soft cover.

Is M. Alemchiba also written in this book? Or another book? If in another book, do you have a title of his book.

I have searched for Bonid Behari Goswam, but found nothing on Google. Do you have any book titles for him?

Kind regards,
Bill

Nonoy Tan · 1st August 2008, 06:14 AM

Does anyone know if the Naga axe (metal blade) been in existence before the 19th century, or is it an "early" object (i.e. 19th century) creation/introduction?

Bill M · 15th August 2008, 02:26 AM

Ben,

The book you recommended arrived today and it is magnificent! Great pictures and information.

THE NAGAS: DISCIPLINED FORMS OF BEAUTY. SOMARE' E VIGORELLI

Thank you so very much.

Dajak · 17th August 2008, 09:40 AM

Hi Bill nice you like it when I am back from Bali I will search in my Library
I must have more great books off the Naga's .

I see you have an nice collection naga stuff.

Ben

Battara · 17th August 2008, 07:06 PM

Bill, I love the archaic axe, it is my favorite form - you said it has a wood core - is the rest metal too?

JBG163 · 14th October 2022, 07:17 PM

Time to dig up an old thread !
May i ask you all, do you have any informations about the Kalyo-Kangyu tribe and their axe/way of smithing ? I tried to find informations about them on the net without any touch. (the only pages coming up are the vikingsword forum and the MET).
Do you have any recommandation of book concerning them ? is there any infos about them in the two books mentionned above ?

28th July 2008, 04:53 AM	#1
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Naga Axe Overall length = 32" lade width = 6" These were used as agricultural implements, wood carving and war. Comments? Attached Images Last edited by Bill Marsh; 28th July 2008 at 02:53 PM.

29th July 2008, 01:15 PM	#5
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	I can't help but wonder if certain shaped dao were more common with certain tribal groups. I can't find anything to support that. I have a few pictures of dao and those carrying them but none are exactly like the one you have posted though several have protrusions from the back The first one the only notation I have is dao from Arunachal Pradesh The second is a photo of an Ang and is labeled as Naga and Konyak Attached Images

30th July 2008, 05:17 PM	#9
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Bill there is a lot off new old makestuf (fake) on the market off the naga . Try to get this cataloque the nagas from Grata Somare and Leonardo Vigorelli this is from 1992 an exibition in Galleria Lorenzelli Also working on this book is M. Alemchiba he is the Director of the Naga Institute of Art and Culture and of the National Museum of Kohima Nagaland. He is also the author of studies on the history and culture of his homeland , being the most renown expert . Bonid Behari Goswami has been the joint Director of the Anthropological Survey of India until 1991 and visiting fellow in the Indian Institute of Advanced study Shimla . This guy is also known for his authoritative contribution on the people of Mizoram,Nagaland,Manipur and Assam. This give you an better impression on the authentic Naga stuff . Don't Forget that the English people has been in that area a long time the most real thing you can find overthere in very old collections taken whit them more than 100 years ago . Ben ps also nice is Art of Nagaland (the barbier-muller collection geneva catalogue Los Angels county museum of art july19,1984--february 10, 1985 Last edited by Dajak; 30th July 2008 at 05:36 PM.

14th October 2022, 07:17 PM	#16
JBG163 Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: France Posts: 207	Time to dig up an old thread ! May i ask you all, do you have any informations about the Kalyo-Kangyu tribe and their axe/way of smithing ? I tried to find informations about them on the net without any touch. (the only pages coming up are the vikingsword forum and the MET). Do you have any recommandation of book concerning them ? is there any infos about them in the two books mentionned above ? Last edited by JBG163; 14th October 2022 at 07:44 PM.

28th July 2008, 07:35 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Looking nice Bill. Looks like a tool to carve up people rather than for woodwork.

28th July 2008, 08:14 PM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi Bill, the use of hair/fur on many ethnic weapons (handle end) is to aid grip especially in the presence of blood, which is remarkedly slippery when fresh Am I correct in saying that it has only one sharp edge (opposite to the rounded protuberance ) Nice thing Kind Regards David

29th July 2008, 02:47 PM	#6
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Thank you for your replies and I ceratinly welcome more discussion. I have quite a few Naga artifacts, including one large house pillar with seven stylized buffalo heads, three human heads and an animal. I suggest a very good book on the Naga, "THE NAGAS, hill peoples of Northeast India" by Julian Jacobs. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...881/ref=lp_g_1

30th July 2008, 06:02 AM	#7
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Very nice piece, Bill. Looking forward to seeing your other Naga weapons! What sort of hair are those? Anybody knows the definite origin and history of the Naga axe?

31st July 2008, 01:27 PM	#10
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Thank you for the book recommendations, Ben. I shall endeavor to acquire them. I have a friend who lives in Kathmandu. He is very close with some of the Naga. He goes on regular pilgrimages to visit. He rides a motorcycle into the back areas and sits with shamen around a campfire, and discusses "old ways." He is sad that the Christianization of the Naga has resulted, as it usually does, in a loss of heritage, a loss of their pre-contact culture. But if you go deep enough into the outback, there are powerful vestiges of this once great culture. He is married to a Nepalese Hill tribe woman whose aunt is a practicing shaman. I have some of her artifacts as well. I think that you are right in saying that many of the good Naga artifacts are in private collections, outside of Nagaland. But, the bottom line in any collecting is that you can never really be sure that you have an authentic artifact. Even great museums have been fooled. There are countless examples, as well as other experts. Usually I buy from private collectors, international art dealers and relatives of missionaries who brought pieces back. Since I collect in many arenas, I can not possibly be expert in all of these venues. So when I just find something I like, run it by various of experts in my acquaintance, and if they have a good feel about it, I buy it -- sometimes I buy even if they don't like it. It is ultimately my choice, as one of my mentors once said, "It is you who have to live with it." But I rarely buy ethnographic pieces as "investments." My investments are in commercial real estate, and there, perhaps only there, I am the expert. This gives me the time and funding to indulge in my hobby -- my passion -- for art as I see it.

31st July 2008, 01:44 PM	#11
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Ben, Have been searching for the books and catalogs you have so kindly mentioned. Is this one of them? SOMARÉ,GRATA & LEONARDO VIGORELLI. "The Nagas. Disciplined Forms of Beauty." Bergamo, 1992. 206 pp. Col. & b./w. ills. Stiff soft cover. Is M. Alemchiba also written in this book? Or another book? If in another book, do you have a title of his book. I have searched for Bonid Behari Goswam, but found nothing on Google. Do you have any book titles for him? Kind regards, Bill

1st August 2008, 06:14 AM	#12
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Does anyone know if the Naga axe (metal blade) been in existence before the 19th century, or is it an "early" object (i.e. 19th century) creation/introduction?

15th August 2008, 02:26 AM	#13
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Ben, The book you recommended arrived today and it is magnificent! Great pictures and information. THE NAGAS: DISCIPLINED FORMS OF BEAUTY. SOMARE' E VIGORELLI Thank you so very much.

17th August 2008, 09:40 AM	#14
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Bill nice you like it when I am back from Bali I will search in my Library I must have more great books off the Naga's . I see you have an nice collection naga stuff. Ben

17th August 2008, 07:06 PM	#15
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Bill, I love the archaic axe, it is my favorite form - you said it has a wood core - is the rest metal too?