Indian Bichwa Dagger For Comment

Lew · 6th June 2006, 06:27 PM

Hi Guys

This auction just ended. Thought is was going to be a sleeper but there were a couple of sharp eyes out there. I don't think I did too bad though

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...DME:B:DS:US:28

Lew

ariel · 6th June 2006, 09:10 PM

You had a run for your money, buddy

But you did well.
I watched it too, but ... one has to prioritize. Unfortunately.....
The e-snipe has changed the nature of bidding quite dramatically.

Valjhun · 6th June 2006, 09:18 PM

I saw it too. But, I do not liked it... Some of thoose indian weapons recently on ebay doesn't look good to my eyes, maybe just overcleaned but still... just not of my taste I guess...

ariel · 6th June 2006, 11:36 PM

[QUOTE=Valjhun]I saw it too. But, I do not liked it... Some of thoose indian weapons recently on ebay doesn't look good to my eyes, maybe just overcleaned but still... just not of my taste I guess...

[/QUOTE

It is a matter of taste and collecting preferences, I am sure. Many of them are very beautiful, especially the long blades. But I agree, many of them are overcleaned. Perhaps, because they were not cared for properly for a long time...
However, when you see Indian wootz, it is a sight to behold....

katana · 11th June 2006, 12:34 PM

Thats a nice dagger Lew. I've never seen one before

(Indian weapons not being my forte) Would you mind posting pics on this thread, after you receive it, the listing photos are not too clear.

Lew · 17th June 2006, 09:37 PM

Hi All

The dagger arrived the other day so here are some better pics. Bichwa strike me as a pure stabbing weapon.

Lew

Norman McCormick · 29th June 2009, 08:24 PM

Hi,
Looks as if it could be an effective 'swordcatcher' with some offensive capability.
Regards,
Norman.

KuKulzA28 · 29th June 2009, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi KuKulzA28,
Yes, Jim is entirerly correct. The double blade in this format would hinder penetration, and unless razor sharp in the inside, would 'bunch up' material inbetween the blades.
So saying, a stab would doesn't need to be up to the hilt to cause problems of course, and I don't see this as a weapon meant to kill, more a secondary weapon for disabling or wounding.
I imagine that it would be good for slashing, well raking, as the cuts would be very unlikely to follow the same track continually, rather drawing two ragged cuts probobly very close, at some points parallel, some overlapping, other places falling into sync and cutting deeper.
Thing about two parallel cuts close together is that they are very hard to stitch. Often its simply not possible.
This may mean that a light/moderate wound might keep a fighter from returning to battle, or a wound might be more likely to infect etc.
Also, even stabbing would produce horrible wounds which would be difficult to treat, and would cause similar problems.
Just some thounght, I've never seen a paper on how these were used in battle or even their style of use.
Gene

Good point about not needing to stab up to the hilt... after all a quick jab-slash (thus stabbing and then causing a big 'departure' wound) would be pretty terrible.. especially if done near the head/neck or the gut... doesn't take a deep stab to hurt the bladder, stomach, liver, throat, eyes, etc.
Also, it's intriguing that this weapon may not be a direct killer... but you might as well have killed the enemy's fighting ability if his body is criss crossed with deep jagged cuts and he is losing blood fast (and will not be able to be healed easily).
I wonder... are double-bladed bichwas usually very sharp on the inside?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi,
Looks as if it could be an effective 'swordcatcher' with some offensive capability.
Regards,
Norman.

I thought the same... though somehow it makes me cringe to think of catching a sword in the small space between the double-blades, especially since the sword is bigger, possibly coming at me.. and the blades are likely to be riveted rather than part of a single solid piece...

then again, if the enemy is occupied with a weapon on your right, you could rush it and trap his sword with the double-bladed bichwa, and then expose the enemy to be killed with your right-handed weapon...

still there's probably better sword-catchers in India, and in Europe and China/Japan there were definitely weapons specifically designed to be able to do so

6th June 2006, 06:27 PM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Indian Bichwa Dagger For Comment Hi Guys This auction just ended. Thought is was going to be a sleeper but there were a couple of sharp eyes out there. I don't think I did too bad though http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...DME:B:DS:US:28 Lew

17th June 2006, 09:37 PM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Hi All The dagger arrived the other day so here are some better pics. Bichwa strike me as a pure stabbing weapon. Lew Attached Images

6th June 2006, 09:10 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	You had a run for your money, buddy But you did well. I watched it too, but ... one has to prioritize. Unfortunately..... The e-snipe has changed the nature of bidding quite dramatically.

6th June 2006, 09:18 PM	#3
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	I saw it too. But, I do not liked it... Some of thoose indian weapons recently on ebay doesn't look good to my eyes, maybe just overcleaned but still... just not of my taste I guess...

6th June 2006, 11:36 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	[QUOTE=Valjhun]I saw it too. But, I do not liked it... Some of thoose indian weapons recently on ebay doesn't look good to my eyes, maybe just overcleaned but still... just not of my taste I guess... [/QUOTE It is a matter of taste and collecting preferences, I am sure. Many of them are very beautiful, especially the long blades. But I agree, many of them are overcleaned. Perhaps, because they were not cared for properly for a long time... However, when you see Indian wootz, it is a sight to behold....

11th June 2006, 12:34 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Thats a nice dagger Lew. I've never seen one before (Indian weapons not being my forte) Would you mind posting pics on this thread, after you receive it, the listing photos are not too clear.

29th June 2009, 08:24 PM	#7
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,597	Hi, Looks as if it could be an effective 'swordcatcher' with some offensive capability. Regards, Norman.