Sabre for id and comments

Yustas · 3rd February 2009, 04:10 AM

Apparently it is Ukrainian cossack sabre of 18 ct.
Would you confirm this? Where it was made? Lviv, Krakow, Cherkassy?

ariel · 3rd February 2009, 10:24 PM

Another intriguing one, but here I have questions....
Can you send better pics, especially the figure on the scabbard?
Also, the label hints on inscription: Vivat Wyelne Kozaki!" ( am I correct? can't see well...)
Ukrainian Zaporozhian cossaks used Cyrillic alphabet; the inscription ( Glory to Free Cossacks) is in broken(?) Latin-based language....
The blade seems to look like a 19th century military German or French one. By that time, Cossacks were firmly under Russian control. Why would they mark their sword in Latin? I am feeling a tad uncomfortable with this one, and paranoid thoughts of modern interference are creeping into my head...
We need Michal here.... I would love to be proven wrong.

Yustas · 3rd February 2009, 10:44 PM

Actually it sais VIVAT WIERNE KOZAKI. It sais 18 century on the tag. These times, Rzecz Pospolita was still there. By the way, the style reminds me of polish sabre classification as "kozacka" by Zablocki's classification.
BTW. Blade is incredibly thin and bendy. Not to much, but more, then any other sabre i have seen.

ariel · 3rd February 2009, 11:09 PM

Wyerne. I misread the "r". Means "trusted".
The tag reads what the dealer wrote on it :-)
Ukraine became a part of the Russian Empire in the 17th century ( in 1653 Khmel'nicky signed the deal that was undone only recently).

Yustas · 4th February 2009, 12:13 AM

So, two options, dealer made a mistake, and sabre is first part of 17 ct.
Or it is a fake?

Jeff D · 4th February 2009, 12:27 AM

the blade is a blue and gold officer's. Used in the very late 18th century and early 19th century. Looks French but could be Russian, can't tell from the photo's.

All the Best
Jeff

3rd February 2009, 04:10 AM	#1
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	Sabre for id and comments Apparently it is Ukrainian cossack sabre of 18 ct. Would you confirm this? Where it was made? Lviv, Krakow, Cherkassy? Attached Images

3rd February 2009, 10:44 PM	#3
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	boo Actually it sais VIVAT WIERNE KOZAKI. It sais 18 century on the tag. These times, Rzecz Pospolita was still there. By the way, the style reminds me of polish sabre classification as "kozacka" by Zablocki's classification. BTW. Blade is incredibly thin and bendy. Not to much, but more, then any other sabre i have seen.

4th February 2009, 12:13 AM	#5
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	so So, two options, dealer made a mistake, and sabre is first part of 17 ct. Or it is a fake?

3rd February 2009, 10:24 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Another intriguing one, but here I have questions.... Can you send better pics, especially the figure on the scabbard? Also, the label hints on inscription: Vivat Wyelne Kozaki!" ( am I correct? can't see well...) Ukrainian Zaporozhian cossaks used Cyrillic alphabet; the inscription ( Glory to Free Cossacks) is in broken(?) Latin-based language.... The blade seems to look like a 19th century military German or French one. By that time, Cossacks were firmly under Russian control. Why would they mark their sword in Latin? I am feeling a tad uncomfortable with this one, and paranoid thoughts of modern interference are creeping into my head... We need Michal here.... I would love to be proven wrong.

3rd February 2009, 11:09 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Wyerne. I misread the "r". Means "trusted". The tag reads what the dealer wrote on it :-) Ukraine became a part of the Russian Empire in the 17th century ( in 1653 Khmel'nicky signed the deal that was undone only recently).

4th February 2009, 12:27 AM	#6
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	the blade is a blue and gold officer's. Used in the very late 18th century and early 19th century. Looks French but could be Russian, can't tell from the photo's. All the Best Jeff