flower anyone?

Anthony G. · 18th November 2020, 09:48 AM

I hope it is not a foolish question but anyone has any comprehension about why the men in the photo is wearing flowers on their head?

mariusgmioc · 18th November 2020, 10:48 AM

It is the traditional outfit for the Balinese Barung dance... I guess.
But I have no idea of the symbolism of the flower.

A. G. Maisey · 18th November 2020, 01:24 PM

The flower is a hibiscus, and obviously red.

There are many ways to understand red hibiscus symbolism, but in this particular context of male dancers we can understand its use as a symbol of bravery.

Anthony G. · 18th November 2020, 03:07 PM

It is interesting especially using flower as a symbol of bravery. Thanks Alan for the info.

mariusgmioc · 18th November 2020, 06:40 PM

If you notice they are also wearing a red sash.

In Hinduism red represents the Shakti.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti

A red colored dress is put on deities who are charitable, brave, protective, and who have the capacity to destroy evil.

gp · 18th November 2020, 09:21 PM

Nothing special actually, just a tradition which is centuries old in Bali.
Bali is known by its inhabitants as Island of the Gods.
Their sacred connection is also made by (offering) flowers like Frangipani, Bouganville and Hibiscus in all its forms; a leaf, flower or its oil.

Women do (or used to in the past traditionally) wear it in their hair and men in their headband or behind their ear.
If you ask such a man, his answer would simply be
“Oh, that’s because of the God. To make them feel good en to give me blooming thoughts.”
As for the pics with knives : it could very well be connected to pentjak silat ( setiah hati) as this martial art comes in many forms and ways.

Not only styles derived from animals but also in its variances of the different peoples and nations of the Indonesian Archipelago.

In Bali f.i. modern pencak practitioners often wear headbands. There are about four main systems considered purely Balinese.
The most prominent of these is Bakti Negara, which is firmly rooted in the old local Hindu philosophy of Tri Hita Karana.

A. G. Maisey · 18th November 2020, 09:42 PM

Marius, in Bali the Hindu belief system is not quite the same as in maintream Hindu belief, the Balinese belief system is "Bali-Hindu", and it is a combination of Hindu beliefs, Buddhist beliefs and Balinese indigenous beliefs.

All symbolism needs to be interpreted in accordance with the context, and there are many contexts and many ways in which to interpret most symbols. Probably an easy way to understand this is to think of symbolism as a language, it carries a message, just as does language.

My native tongue is English, specifically English as she is spoke in Oz, that is, Australia. In order to be understood by all people who have a knowledge of English I need to try to write my public English in a form that the linguists tell us is known as "Standard English". My writing does not represent the way in which I speak.

However, in both these variations of the English language (Standard English & the Australian dialect), the same word can have different meanings, dependent upon the context in which it is used. We cannot necessarily understand the meaning of a word if we take that word out of context, and we often cannot understand the context if we read, hear or see only a part of the entire context.

I have greater or lesser knowledge of several other languages, and what I have said of English also applies in those other languages.

If we consider the colour red in the context of Bali, we need to consider it in its dominant role in Bali, and that is as a part of the Balinese mandala. The Balinese Mandala is the Balinese representation of the universe and in order for our little part of the universe to be in harmony with the greater universe we need to put our world into alignment with the greater universe. We do this (in part) by arranging things in accordance with the mandala, which you will find here:-

https://www.murnis.com/culture/balinese-symbolism/

In accordance with the Balinese mandala , red is the colour of Brahma.

But in this picture that Anthony has posted we are looking at a dancer in Bali, and that dancer is wearing red hibiscus flowers, one behind each ear. The hibiscus flower is a symbol, a flower behind an ear is a symbol, there are two ears, so three possibilities, the hibiscus flower is red.

He is dancing a particular dance which is a part of the Calonarang drama that presents the eternal fight between good & evil, with good represented by the Barong, & evil represented by Rangda. Of course when we mention either of these characters we enter a whole new waterfall of symbolism --- so we won't go there right now.

To be able to fully understand Balinese symbolism one needs to be born Balinese and to have been trained in this from childhood. The best we can do as outsiders to the Balinese socio-cultural structure is to skirt around the edges and pick little snippets of understanding as we progress.

So --- Bali > dancer > hibiscus flower > the flower is red > one flower behind each ear > the dancer is performing in the Calonarang > he is male.

How should we interpret this symbol of a red hibiscus flower behind each ear worn by a dancer performing in the Calonarang?

Well, the general understanding in Bali is that a red flower worn by a dancer indicates bravery, so rather than get into all the other interpretations I tried to keep it simple.

I might be wrong.

Any Balinese Brahmins out there?

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gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 719	Nothing special actually, just a tradition which is centuries old in Bali. Bali is known by its inhabitants as Island of the Gods. Their sacred connection is also made by (offering) flowers like Frangipani, Bouganville and Hibiscus in all its forms; a leaf, flower or its oil. Women do (or used to in the past traditionally) wear it in their hair and men in their headband or behind their ear. If you ask such a man, his answer would simply be “Oh, that’s because of the God. To make them feel good en to give me blooming thoughts.” As for the pics with knives : it could very well be connected to pentjak silat ( setiah hati) as this martial art comes in many forms and ways. Not only styles derived from animals but also in its variances of the different peoples and nations of the Indonesian Archipelago. In Bali f.i. modern pencak practitioners often wear headbands. There are about four main systems considered purely Balinese. The most prominent of these is Bakti Negara, which is firmly rooted in the old local Hindu philosophy of Tri Hita Karana. Last edited by gp; 18th November 2020 at 10:05 PM.

18th November 2020, 10:48 AM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	It is the traditional outfit for the Balinese Barung dance... I guess. But I have no idea of the symbolism of the flower.

18th November 2020, 01:24 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	The flower is a hibiscus, and obviously red. There are many ways to understand red hibiscus symbolism, but in this particular context of male dancers we can understand its use as a symbol of bravery.

18th November 2020, 03:07 PM	#4
Anthony G. Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 463	It is interesting especially using flower as a symbol of bravery. Thanks Alan for the info.

18th November 2020, 06:40 PM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	If you notice they are also wearing a red sash. In Hinduism red represents the Shakti. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti A red colored dress is put on deities who are charitable, brave, protective, and who have the capacity to destroy evil.

18th November 2020, 09:42 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	Marius, in Bali the Hindu belief system is not quite the same as in maintream Hindu belief, the Balinese belief system is "Bali-Hindu", and it is a combination of Hindu beliefs, Buddhist beliefs and Balinese indigenous beliefs. All symbolism needs to be interpreted in accordance with the context, and there are many contexts and many ways in which to interpret most symbols. Probably an easy way to understand this is to think of symbolism as a language, it carries a message, just as does language. My native tongue is English, specifically English as she is spoke in Oz, that is, Australia. In order to be understood by all people who have a knowledge of English I need to try to write my public English in a form that the linguists tell us is known as "Standard English". My writing does not represent the way in which I speak. However, in both these variations of the English language (Standard English & the Australian dialect), the same word can have different meanings, dependent upon the context in which it is used. We cannot necessarily understand the meaning of a word if we take that word out of context, and we often cannot understand the context if we read, hear or see only a part of the entire context. I have greater or lesser knowledge of several other languages, and what I have said of English also applies in those other languages. If we consider the colour red in the context of Bali, we need to consider it in its dominant role in Bali, and that is as a part of the Balinese mandala. The Balinese Mandala is the Balinese representation of the universe and in order for our little part of the universe to be in harmony with the greater universe we need to put our world into alignment with the greater universe. We do this (in part) by arranging things in accordance with the mandala, which you will find here:- https://www.murnis.com/culture/balinese-symbolism/ In accordance with the Balinese mandala , red is the colour of Brahma. But in this picture that Anthony has posted we are looking at a dancer in Bali, and that dancer is wearing red hibiscus flowers, one behind each ear. The hibiscus flower is a symbol, a flower behind an ear is a symbol, there are two ears, so three possibilities, the hibiscus flower is red. He is dancing a particular dance which is a part of the Calonarang drama that presents the eternal fight between good & evil, with good represented by the Barong, & evil represented by Rangda. Of course when we mention either of these characters we enter a whole new waterfall of symbolism --- so we won't go there right now. To be able to fully understand Balinese symbolism one needs to be born Balinese and to have been trained in this from childhood. The best we can do as outsiders to the Balinese socio-cultural structure is to skirt around the edges and pick little snippets of understanding as we progress. So --- Bali > dancer > hibiscus flower > the flower is red > one flower behind each ear > the dancer is performing in the Calonarang > he is male. How should we interpret this symbol of a red hibiscus flower behind each ear worn by a dancer performing in the Calonarang? Well, the general understanding in Bali is that a red flower worn by a dancer indicates bravery, so rather than get into all the other interpretations I tried to keep it simple. I might be wrong. Any Balinese Brahmins out there?