Yataghan inscription translation please!

eftihis · 10th March 2014, 01:03 PM

Hello, could you please translate the inscriptions in the yataghan? In the first photo of the "tugra" design, it looks like the cyrilic letter "Φ", could that be the case?

AJ1356 · 10th March 2014, 03:07 PM

A nice old yataghan, in much need on love. On the Cyrillic character, i think just is just a coincidence that it looks like that. The first portion reads, Work of Usmaan, Owner Ibraahiim, year 1110 it is 1433 now I think, there are websites where you can input the year and would give you the AD. I can't make anything out of the second inscription since it is in Turkish, but we have a few guys here you could help you with that.

rand · 10th March 2014, 04:03 PM

To convert an Islamic date one subtracts three percent first, thens adds six hundred and twenty two.

1110 X .03 = 33

1110 - 33 = 1077

1077 + 622 = 1699

This yataghan looks to be 19th century, sometimes important historical dates are used.

rand

eftihis · 10th March 2014, 04:24 PM

Dear AJ1356, and Rand Thank you for your comments!
Dear Rand, i ma very happy to see you, it has been a long time!!!
You have told me in the past about this style of inlay, (that is hammered with triangles like punches) that is older than koftgari.
Taking that into account, you think there is apossibility to be 1699 the real production date of this yataghan?

rand · 10th March 2014, 06:44 PM

Hello Eftihis,

Am hoping your are finding many treasure there.

The over strike triangular punch style inlay is mostly associated with Ottoman inlay work. The koftgari style of overlay is an older technique of the two. Assuming the blade has a spine with two grooves, 1750-1850 would be the likely time period of the blade. If you can identify Ottoman ruler with this Tugra the time of use can be narrowed. The yataghans of this type usually are mid 18th C. through the 19th C.

Nice yataghan,
rand

ALEX · 10th March 2014, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rand

...If you can identify Ottoman ruler with this Tugra the time of use can be narrowed....

A general question - are "tugras" like this on similar yataghans actually of the ruling Sultan? The silver proof marks were, but the coftgaried or inlaid inscriptions on the blades were in my opinion just stylized Tugras with owner or maker names, not the actual tugras of Sultan.

10th March 2014, 01:03 PM	#1
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 507	Yataghan inscription translation please! Hello, could you please translate the inscriptions in the yataghan? In the first photo of the "tugra" design, it looks like the cyrilic letter "Φ", could that be the case? Attached Images

10th March 2014, 04:03 PM	#3
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 538	Date conversion To convert an Islamic date one subtracts three percent first, thens adds six hundred and twenty two. 1110 X .03 = 33 1110 - 33 = 1077 1077 + 622 = 1699 This yataghan looks to be 19th century, sometimes important historical dates are used. rand

10th March 2014, 06:44 PM	#5
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 538	Yataghan time period Hello Eftihis, Am hoping your are finding many treasure there. The over strike triangular punch style inlay is mostly associated with Ottoman inlay work. The koftgari style of overlay is an older technique of the two. Assuming the blade has a spine with two grooves, 1750-1850 would be the likely time period of the blade. If you can identify Ottoman ruler with this Tugra the time of use can be narrowed. The yataghans of this type usually are mid 18th C. through the 19th C. Nice yataghan, rand

10th March 2014, 03:07 PM	#2
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	A nice old yataghan, in much need on love. On the Cyrillic character, i think just is just a coincidence that it looks like that. The first portion reads, Work of Usmaan, Owner Ibraahiim, year 1110 it is 1433 now I think, there are websites where you can input the year and would give you the AD. I can't make anything out of the second inscription since it is in Turkish, but we have a few guys here you could help you with that.

10th March 2014, 04:24 PM	#4
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 507	Dear AJ1356, and Rand Thank you for your comments! Dear Rand, i ma very happy to see you, it has been a long time!!! You have told me in the past about this style of inlay, (that is hammered with triangles like punches) that is older than koftgari. Taking that into account, you think there is apossibility to be 1699 the real production date of this yataghan?