sword with flintlock pistol

corrado26 · 21st January 2020, 02:57 PM

A friend of mine owns this special sword with a SAHAGUM blade and a flintlock pistol. The blade might IMHO be much older than the pistol and so comments are invited.
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Lansquenet59 · 21st January 2020, 04:13 PM

It's a really interesting piece. (two in one). Early 18th probably? For a wealthy owner!
But maybe not so practical for combat ...A prestigious weapon.

Fernando K · 21st January 2020, 10:17 PM

Hi

I can only mark two anomalies. The frizzen spring screw is knurled: this makes no sense. In addition, the front face of the frizzen had, in the box-locks, a recess in which the fold of the spring was inserted, for its support. The decoration of the guard seems very modern. It is my humble opinion.

Affectionately

corrado26 · 22nd January 2020, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hi

The frizzen spring screw is knurled: this makes no sense.

What does "knurled" mean? I cannot find it in my dictionary. Also interesting is how the upper lip is fastened to the cock, very strange.

Henk · 22nd January 2020, 10:38 AM

Google for knurled screw. That explains everything.

Fernando K · 22nd January 2020, 12:33 PM

Hi

The method of fastening the upper jaw of the cock is to take up little space, so that the cock in its forward stroke can penetrate the guard. The same for the traction end, which goes back instead of going up, to be able to pass the guard. The same for the losing screw, which in any case, should occupy little place and has its square end to screw it

Sorry for the translator. English is not my language.

Affectionately

fernando · 22nd January 2020, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

What does "knurled" mean? I cannot find it in my dictionary...

Fernando means that it is strange that the upper jaw terminates in an 'wavy long shape', which is not functional.
Also to bear in mind that the Sahaguns were extremely famous and therefore had their name assaulted by many other smiths. For a start the correct spell appears to be SAHAGUN , as per Palomares nomina and, more importantly, per Jehan Lhermitte, in his work Le Passetemps, written by the 1600's. Also the Sahagun mark should be found on the blade (fullers), if this were te real thing.

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Fernando K · 22nd January 2020, 03:00 PM

Hi

The name is not SAHAGUN, with final N and not with M?

corrado26 · 22nd January 2020, 05:06 PM

After my knowledge the correct spelling of the name of Luis Sahagun is SAHAGUN an not SAHAGUM. But it is known that during the times of the barock many imitations and falsifikations of swords or rapiers appeared on the market with the names of well known, famous but already passed away masters as Antonio Piccinino or Andrea Ferrara as well as the mostly wrongly spelled name of Luis Sahagun. So at least the blade of the discussed sword with the spelling SAHAGOM should be regarded under this aspect.
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fernando · 22nd January 2020, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hi

The name is not SAHAGUN, with final N and not with M?

Yes Fernando; as stated im my post #7

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21st January 2020, 02:57 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	sword with flintlock pistol A friend of mine owns this special sword with a SAHAGUM blade and a flintlock pistol. The blade might IMHO be much older than the pistol and so comments are invited. corrado26 Attached Images Last edited by corrado26; 21st January 2020 at 04:02 PM.

21st January 2020, 04:13 PM	#2
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	It's a really interesting piece. (two in one). Early 18th probably? For a wealthy owner! But maybe not so practical for combat ...A prestigious weapon.

21st January 2020, 10:17 PM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	Hi I can only mark two anomalies. The frizzen spring screw is knurled: this makes no sense. In addition, the front face of the frizzen had, in the box-locks, a recess in which the fold of the spring was inserted, for its support. The decoration of the guard seems very modern. It is my humble opinion. Affectionately

22nd January 2020, 10:38 AM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Google for knurled screw. That explains everything.

22nd January 2020, 12:33 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	Hi The method of fastening the upper jaw of the cock is to take up little space, so that the cock in its forward stroke can penetrate the guard. The same for the traction end, which goes back instead of going up, to be able to pass the guard. The same for the losing screw, which in any case, should occupy little place and has its square end to screw it Sorry for the translator. English is not my language. Affectionately

22nd January 2020, 03:00 PM	#8
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	Hi The name is not SAHAGUN, with final N and not with M?

22nd January 2020, 05:06 PM	#9
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	After my knowledge the correct spelling of the name of Luis Sahagun is SAHAGUN an not SAHAGUM. But it is known that during the times of the barock many imitations and falsifikations of swords or rapiers appeared on the market with the names of well known, famous but already passed away masters as Antonio Piccinino or Andrea Ferrara as well as the mostly wrongly spelled name of Luis Sahagun. So at least the blade of the discussed sword with the spelling SAHAGOM should be regarded under this aspect. corrado26