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My first encounter with a Filipino slam fire rifle. Acquired it with other Philippine stuff including a sword cane.
Village made, it' heavy and has a smooth bore barrel, wooden foregrip has some carvings, the butt stock is plain. Brass / copper (?), bands secures the rifle together. Check out the shell ejector, spring steel ![]() It amuses me that it has a front post sight.. Could be a Moro piece, okir adornment on the bottom brass strap of the stock. Comments on it's age and possible area of origin? |
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Were slam-fire rifles common in the Philippines?
How exactly does the slam-fire mechanism work? ...if safe enough, I might attempt a homemade version... ![]() |
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Cool find, Kino
![]() First time I've seen that design ... There's a similar piece, though much more rough -- it's a Filipino Phil.-Am. War rifle-cannon from the Smithsonian (pic below), which was probably made in haste during the war period itself. The museum's description: Dimensions: 5" (12.7 cm) height x 49" (124.5 cm) width x 1.75" (4.4 cm) depth Physical Description: Handmade Filipino gun General History: Filipinos fighting the United State Army resorted to making their own firearms. This handmade gun harkens back to the earliest of firearms, the hand cannon. The gun was muzzle-loaded and the charge was set off by applying fire to a touch hole in the side of the barrel. The one I've personally seen is another Filipino hand cannon, used during the same period, and it's in this thread. What's the caliber of your piece, approximately? |
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Searching on terms Paliuntod or paltik will provide more information. As it is, I'm wondering how you aim one of these beasts.
Best, F |
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Slam fire means that the firing pin is fixed and the cartridge is held clear of it, to discharge it's jerked back so the pin strikes the primer, and ignites the powder charge and fires it, the recoil keeps things together. Works kinda like a power-head or some kinds of captive-bolt gun.
They're typically called paliuntods, and can vary from rough pipe-bombs with an uncapped end, to decent-if-crude firearms. |
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Place one hand on the foregrip, pull slightly forward (photo #2), this gives the user access to the breech (photo #3), load ordinance, aim , pull the front end of the rifle back with some force, so the firing pin makes hard contact with the primer....oops misfire, try again. If you're ever in Seattle, give me a call and you can test fire mine, but first you must sign a waiver and leave a deposit. ![]() Quote:
This rifle doesn't have the appearance of being made in haste, it has a lot of detail work. |
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Dam, what a cool toy to have in your collection.
Supposedly some of the Filipinos did not believe in the "rear sight". Some accounts mention the Filipinos taking off the rear sight, believing they only needed the front. Gen MacArthur was asked about this, and he believed many of the Filipinos were typically ignorant farmers who were handed rifles with no training and had no clue how they worked. This is not the norm though...there are plenty of pics of Filipinos touting rifles with rear sights. |
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thanks for sharing - not seen these before and good to see the okir on the bottom.
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There are a number of modern pump action shotguns that can be used as slam fire too, an Ithica model is one from memory, after the first shot you don't have to pull the trigger, only keep pumping the action to keep shooting.... Again, a nice rare and unusual find. Gav |
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