A beautiful Nuremberg haquebut with profusely painted stock, ca. 1550

[Matchlock]

The barrel may have been wrought towards the end of the 15th century but the back and fore sight, the pan and cover as well as the stock and lock suggest that they are no earlier than ca. mid-16th century.

Note the prevailing colors red and green and the Nuremberg coat of arms painted on the stock opposite of the lock!

The match holder (serpentine) is a mid-17th century working replacement as its shape indicates.

Beautiful - and lethal. Arms - why have we fallen for them?

Matchlock

[fernando]

Hi Matchlock,

Extremely charming piece you have there .

You ask why we fall for these things ? Because they are fascinating and we can't resist getting enchanted by them

Fernando

[Matchlock]

Thanks, Fernando!

Actually, this fine piece is in a different private collection.

Michael (Matchlock)

[Jim McDougall]

Michael, I'm really interested in the paint scheme and symbols painted on this piece. As we know, many of these early weapons received refurbishing and alterations over the years, and you note the serpentine appears 17th century.
What in interesting is the cabalistic symbols seen painted on, the sun, moon and stars. These are very similar to the talismanic blades which often are seen on German sword blades of the 18th century after becoming popular on hunting sword blades earlier. Are such symbols known to appear on the stocks of these early guns in other cases?
Also, I am still curious about the choice for red and green coloring.

All the best,
Jim

[Matchlock]

Jim, in trying to understand the medieval taste for coloring, you might find the following post on painted period pieces of arts and crafts helpful:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7076

Just scroll down to where I attached the 15th century closets.

Of course you are right to mention a very similar style of decoration on 18th century blades but the painting on this stock is certainly of mid-16th century date. I realize that dating criteria are hard to define. Let me give you an example: When an illiterate person is confronted with a book for the first time, all he can say is "What are these strange marks? How can anobody see a meaning or message in them?" Of course, it takes along and intense process of studying to be able and actually put single letters together to words and sentences - and finally grasp their meaning.

Highly specialized detailed knowledge is very hard to share in being esoteric. All I can do is hope that this does not sound arrogant. I wish I knew how to do that any better.

Nevertheless, try and enjoy.

Matchlock/Michael

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Jim, in trying to understand the medieval taste for coloring, you might find the following post on painted period pieces of arts and crafts helpful:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7076

Just scroll down to where I attached the 15th century closets.

Of course you are right to mention a very similar style of decoration on 18th century blades but the painting on this stock is certainly of mid-16th century date. I realize that dating criteria are hard to define. Let me give you an example: When an illiterate person is confronted with a book for the first time, all he can say is "What are these strange marks? How can anobody see a meaning or message in them?" Of course, it takes along and intense process of studying to be able and actually put single letters together to words and sentences - and finally grasp their meaning.

Highly specialized detailed knowledge is very hard to share in being esoteric. All I can do is hope that this does not sound arrogant. I wish I knew how to do that any better.

Nevertheless, try and enjoy.

Matchlock/Michael

Not at all Michael, thank you for being so patient in your explanation which really adds perspective. This esoterica really does elude simple explanation, which definitely adds to its mystique. While these cabalistic symbols only became popular on swords blades in the 18th century, here it becomes clear that they were distinctly present in material culture much earlier.

Much of the same esoterica is well represented in guild and trademarks of many crafts, and in our case we are interested in those of firearms and sword makers. On our ethnographic forum some time ago we had a thread (now in the classic thread group) on 'early makers trademarks'. I am hoping we can continue that same theme as it really is an important aspect of these weapons history.

All the best,
Jim

[Ed]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Michael, I'm really interested in the paint scheme and symbols painted on this piece. As we know, many of these early weapons received refurbishing and alterations over the years, and you note the serpentine appears 17th century.
What in interesting is the cabalistic symbols seen painted on, the sun, moon and stars. These are very similar to the talismanic blades which often are seen on German sword blades of the 18th century after becoming popular on hunting sword blades earlier. Are such symbols known to appear on the stocks of these early guns in other cases?
Also, I am still curious about the choice for red and green coloring.

All the best,
Jim

Note the survival of the colors on my doppelhacken. Michael noted this when he first saw it. Imagine, buried for god knows how long and still traces remain.