Thoughts on this lot from ebay

mross · 11th May 2006, 04:26 PM

This auction ended so I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the
swords presented. I was hoping myself or a list member would have won so a better look at the swords could be had by all.

http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/...tem=6623920176

I'll be up front, I was hoping to win and then resell some of the stuff on ebay to defray the costs. I liked the two Kalis but my gut feeling is early 1900's. The Persian dagger sounded intresting. Would be nice if it was wootz, but the pictures where not that good. However that seemed to be in line with the other auctions this seller had. Botton line for me it was too much of a pig-in-a-poke to risk big bucks.

Ian · 11th May 2006, 05:29 PM

One of the kris looks to have an older style of blade, but as you say the pictures are terrible.

Overall, though, I'd say this buyer did very well with his/her purchases.

Ian.

mross · 11th May 2006, 06:00 PM

I agree, probably could not go wrong. My thoughts where the top kalis looks to have a older, possibly 19th century style blade. It is my understanding though that the horse hoof pommel was rare at that time. If they turn out to be Datu quality and 19th C. then the buyer has hit the lottery.

doecon · 11th May 2006, 06:17 PM

Auctionfloor bidder won this item. They probably had a much better view on the items then we had trough the ebay-stamp-sized version. If it would have been such a catch, makes one wonder why no other bidder at their location jumped in. Maybe you should be on their floor next time

Rick · 11th May 2006, 06:52 PM

Is that really a shotel in the mix ; or another form of African sword ?

Flavio · 11th May 2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Is that really a shotel in the mix ; or another form of African sword ?

Hello Rick. There is no shotel at all. Only the first from left in the lower row is a bandia-benge sword from north congo.

Tim Simmons · 11th May 2006, 08:06 PM

The Mahdi drew followers, vassals, slaves from all the surrounding regions with Islamic influence. There is mention and examples of pagan weapons made Islamic by the addition of Koranic verse in many books on African weapons. On the defeat of the Mahdi I wonder how many made there way back home, if they even new the way back or where home was. I suspect it was easier to put them in a uniform and call them the Sudan Rifles or something like that.

As for the remake of The Four Feathers which in my opinion was rubbish, the British had stopped wearing scarlet from 1879. I cannot imagine any Azande being more than auxiliaries.

Rick · 11th May 2006, 08:57 PM

Well , I guess you guys caught my drift with the questions .

The 1939 version IMO was far superior ; say , I wonder where all those prop kaskaras wound up !?

Maybe they weren't props .. hmmmm .

11th May 2006, 04:26 PM	#1
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Thoughts on this lot from ebay This auction ended so I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the swords presented. I was hoping myself or a list member would have won so a better look at the swords could be had by all. http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/...tem=6623920176 I'll be up front, I was hoping to win and then resell some of the stuff on ebay to defray the costs. I liked the two Kalis but my gut feeling is early 1900's. The Persian dagger sounded intresting. Would be nice if it was wootz, but the pictures where not that good. However that seemed to be in line with the other auctions this seller had. Botton line for me it was too much of a pig-in-a-poke to risk big bucks.

11th May 2006, 05:29 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,134	Hard to comment with poor pictures One of the kris looks to have an older style of blade, but as you say the pictures are terrible. Overall, though, I'd say this buyer did very well with his/her purchases. Ian.

11th May 2006, 06:00 PM	#3
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	I agree, probably could not go wrong. My thoughts where the top kalis looks to have a older, possibly 19th century style blade. It is my understanding though that the horse hoof pommel was rare at that time. If they turn out to be Datu quality and 19th C. then the buyer has hit the lottery.

11th May 2006, 06:17 PM	#4
doecon Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 63	Auctionfloor bidder won this item. They probably had a much better view on the items then we had trough the ebay-stamp-sized version. If it would have been such a catch, makes one wonder why no other bidder at their location jumped in. Maybe you should be on their floor next time

11th May 2006, 06:52 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,280	Is that really a shotel in the mix ; or another form of African sword ?

11th May 2006, 08:06 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,768	The Mahdi drew followers, vassals, slaves from all the surrounding regions with Islamic influence. There is mention and examples of pagan weapons made Islamic by the addition of Koranic verse in many books on African weapons. On the defeat of the Mahdi I wonder how many made there way back home, if they even new the way back or where home was. I suspect it was easier to put them in a uniform and call them the Sudan Rifles or something like that. As for the remake of The Four Feathers which in my opinion was rubbish, the British had stopped wearing scarlet from 1879. I cannot imagine any Azande being more than auxiliaries.

11th May 2006, 08:57 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,280	Well , I guess you guys caught my drift with the questions . The 1939 version IMO was far superior ; say , I wonder where all those prop kaskaras wound up !? Maybe they weren't props .. hmmmm .