Yataghans:bibliography and identification

mankova · 6th November 2016, 11:43 PM

Hello and thank you for adding me to your forum

First i'd like to say sorry for my english.. hope you'll understand me

I am working on my masters thesis in Department of Restoration of Works of Art (Poland) and have 2 yataghans to work with. Unfortunatelly i found very few informations about techniques, workshops and other informations stricte about yataghans (online and in bibliotecs). If there's something, it's about Suleiman's yataghans or very general information about this kind of weapon.
I have few books and articles about weaponry, but about turkish weapon (especially yataghans: history, techniques, etc.) only 2 positions with some informations about yataghans.
I found "Turetskoe oruzhie" E.G. Astvatsaturian with online access, but i can't understand (even read) russian. This part about yataghans (26 pages) is in translation progress now, but still need some information from the rest of the book. There's english version of this book somewhere (someone from this forum wrote that and i believe it's true

, but none of polish bibliotecs have it (i;m searching and searching without any effect). I found also no online access to this position

.....and that's why i'm here. For some time I read your forum and everything I can find here about yataghans. And I found conflicting informations- In the book 'Turetskoe oruzhie', author writes that the oldest known yataghan is the one of Suleiman the Magnificent dated 1526-27. Here i read about Bayezid II's yataghan from Qatar Museum of Islamic Arts dated 1460-61. Cannot find any confirmation. Could you help me please?

Do you know from where can i get this english version of the "Turkish Weapons from the Collection of the State Historical Museum"? Maybe someone of you know other good publications/books online in english (or spanish, polish)?

There are some pics of my "patients".

Thank you in advance!

mariusgmioc · 7th November 2016, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mankova

Hello and thank you for adding me to your forum

There are some pics of my "patients".

Unfortunately, I cannot help you with the information you are seeking, but I must say the Yataghans are magnificent.

I hope they will be restored to their former glory by a good professional and knowledgeable person!

Do I see the date 1292 AH (meaning 1875 AD) in the cartridge?

mankova · 7th November 2016, 10:11 AM

mariusgmioc, thank you for reply. I compared some examples from Astvatsaturian's book and think the same about the date. But I may be wrong.

If i'm right, another one may be from 1824/25, but it was very hard to read between the rust.

I will do my best and give them back their lost beauty. Conservation is about knowledge and practice, and before I will touch them, first I must know everything about this type of weapon

and about these two.

Jerseyman · 7th November 2016, 11:46 AM

Hello Mankova,

Welcome - always good to see new input on the forum.

You could try and find 'Zbirka Jatagana' by Dora Boskovic. I think I'm right in saying she's a curator at the Zagreb History Museum and this is a catalogue of the museum's yataghans, with a lot of useful information.

Good luck with both the restoration and the thesis.

mankova · 7th November 2016, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerseyman

You could try and find 'Zbirka Jatagana' by Dora Boskovic. I think I'm right in saying she's a curator at the Zagreb History Museum and this is a catalogue of the museum's yataghans, with a lot of useful information.

Hello Jerseyman and thank you for your idea with this book

It was one of the first i was searching for

Unfortunatelly polish bibliotecs don;t have this position

i was searching also online access (google books and others), with no effect. Finally i may buy it from croatian bookstore website

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerseyman

Good luck with both the restoration and the thesis.

Thank you, I'll do my best

Jens Nordlunde · 7th November 2016, 12:39 PM

You could try to contact Ann Feurbach, you can find her on Google.
I know that she last(?) year was at a seminar about yatagans.

Kubur · 7th November 2016, 01:12 PM

Your Yataghans smell something like Sarajevo... at least for the hilt...

Kubur · 7th November 2016, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Your Yataghans smell something like Sarajevo... at least for the hilt...

The ref. of my friend Jersey man

ariel · 7th November 2016, 04:26 PM

Try "Yatagani" by Gozde Yasar. Collection of Askeri Muze in Istanbul.

Jim McDougall · 7th November 2016, 06:44 PM

Mankova, thank you for visiting us here, and for the interesting query on yataghans. You have chosen a fascinating and challenging topic for your thesis, and as the very knowledgeable members here furnish titles and suggestions, I hope you might say more on the nature or scope of your intended study.

The history and development of the yataghan is somewhat complex due to its diversity and diffusion into various regions and throughout the Ottoman Empire. I must admit that classifying and identifying these is, at least for me, a daunting task.

The titles recommended so far here are great suggestions and I look forward to seeing an even more comprehensive bibliography develop. I hope we might also develop some discussion regarding the classifications and characteristics of many of the established regional types.

6th November 2016, 11:43 PM	#1
mankova Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 8	Yataghans:bibliography and identification Hello and thank you for adding me to your forum First i'd like to say sorry for my english.. hope you'll understand me I am working on my masters thesis in Department of Restoration of Works of Art (Poland) and have 2 yataghans to work with. Unfortunatelly i found very few informations about techniques, workshops and other informations stricte about yataghans (online and in bibliotecs). If there's something, it's about Suleiman's yataghans or very general information about this kind of weapon. I have few books and articles about weaponry, but about turkish weapon (especially yataghans: history, techniques, etc.) only 2 positions with some informations about yataghans. I found "Turetskoe oruzhie" E.G. Astvatsaturian with online access, but i can't understand (even read) russian. This part about yataghans (26 pages) is in translation progress now, but still need some information from the rest of the book. There's english version of this book somewhere (someone from this forum wrote that and i believe it's true , but none of polish bibliotecs have it (i;m searching and searching without any effect). I found also no online access to this position .....and that's why i'm here. For some time I read your forum and everything I can find here about yataghans. And I found conflicting informations- In the book 'Turetskoe oruzhie', author writes that the oldest known yataghan is the one of Suleiman the Magnificent dated 1526-27. Here i read about Bayezid II's yataghan from Qatar Museum of Islamic Arts dated 1460-61. Cannot find any confirmation. Could you help me please? Do you know from where can i get this english version of the "Turkish Weapons from the Collection of the State Historical Museum"? Maybe someone of you know other good publications/books online in english (or spanish, polish)? There are some pics of my "patients". Thank you in advance! Attached Images

7th November 2016, 10:11 AM	#3
mankova Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 8	mariusgmioc, thank you for reply. I compared some examples from Astvatsaturian's book and think the same about the date. But I may be wrong. If i'm right, another one may be from 1824/25, but it was very hard to read between the rust. I will do my best and give them back their lost beauty. Conservation is about knowledge and practice, and before I will touch them, first I must know everything about this type of weapon and about these two.

7th November 2016, 11:46 AM	#4
Jerseyman Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 97	Hello Mankova, Welcome - always good to see new input on the forum. You could try and find 'Zbirka Jatagana' by Dora Boskovic. I think I'm right in saying she's a curator at the Zagreb History Museum and this is a catalogue of the museum's yataghans, with a lot of useful information. Good luck with both the restoration and the thesis.

7th November 2016, 12:39 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	You could try to contact Ann Feurbach, you can find her on Google. I know that she last(?) year was at a seminar about yatagans.

7th November 2016, 01:12 PM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Your Yataghans smell something like Sarajevo... at least for the hilt...

7th November 2016, 04:26 PM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Try "Yatagani" by Gozde Yasar. Collection of Askeri Muze in Istanbul.

7th November 2016, 06:44 PM	#10
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,940	Mankova, thank you for visiting us here, and for the interesting query on yataghans. You have chosen a fascinating and challenging topic for your thesis, and as the very knowledgeable members here furnish titles and suggestions, I hope you might say more on the nature or scope of your intended study. The history and development of the yataghan is somewhat complex due to its diversity and diffusion into various regions and throughout the Ottoman Empire. I must admit that classifying and identifying these is, at least for me, a daunting task. The titles recommended so far here are great suggestions and I look forward to seeing an even more comprehensive bibliography develop. I hope we might also develop some discussion regarding the classifications and characteristics of many of the established regional types.