Another old shibriya

motan · 31st December 2020, 12:42 AM

Hi,
I was looking for this kind of early shibriya for some time and now I finally have it. It is a very early one, around 1900 I think and from a maker well known by shibriya collectors. I can not say more because maker never signed or dated his daggers. Anyway, I already have a smaller and later one from this maker, but it is better quality.
Signs of an early date are the arrow-shaped pommel with disk and ring and the slender and long recurve blade. A very similar, but better one was featured in this forum many years ago (3d pic).

motan · 31st December 2020, 12:44 AM

Sorry, I meant to upload this picture

Yvain · 1st January 2021, 03:55 PM

Very nice shibriya Motan !

My brother gifted me an interesting one for Christmas that I need to show here.

Are those seals at the end of the chains on the second one ?

motan · 1st January 2021, 11:47 PM

Hi Yvain. Thanks for your response.
If you put up some pictures in this thread, I will tell you what I know about your shibriya. If relevant, I can also redirect you to some older threads on the subject. I must warn you though that good quality shibriyas, though not very valuable, are quite rare, so don't expect too much.

The second shibriya (green background) used to belong to Khanjar1 and was discussed some years ago. The rings attached to the chain are indeed seal rings of bedouin chieftains dated to around 1910, if I remember correctly.

Klop · 2nd January 2021, 01:13 AM

Hi Motan,

nice daggers. Could you also post a picture of the backside of the handles?
I'm curiuous how the rings on the pommel are attached. Looks like solid blocks of brass with a hole, maybe hammered out like rivets on the backside?

Thanks,
Eric.

Klop · 2nd January 2021, 01:18 AM

on second thought, your latest addition seems to have a U-shape bent strip (split pen) holding the ring. In that case I expect bent ends at the rear - which may be covered by backplate and thus invisible....

31st December 2020, 12:42 AM	#1
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Another old shibriya Hi, I was looking for this kind of early shibriya for some time and now I finally have it. It is a very early one, around 1900 I think and from a maker well known by shibriya collectors. I can not say more because maker never signed or dated his daggers. Anyway, I already have a smaller and later one from this maker, but it is better quality. Signs of an early date are the arrow-shaped pommel with disk and ring and the slender and long recurve blade. A very similar, but better one was featured in this forum many years ago (3d pic). Attached Images

31st December 2020, 12:44 AM	#2
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Sorry, I meant to upload this picture Attached Images

1st January 2021, 03:55 PM	#3
Yvain Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: France Posts: 178	Very nice shibriya Motan ! My brother gifted me an interesting one for Christmas that I need to show here. Are those seals at the end of the chains on the second one ?

1st January 2021, 11:47 PM	#4
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hi Yvain. Thanks for your response. If you put up some pictures in this thread, I will tell you what I know about your shibriya. If relevant, I can also redirect you to some older threads on the subject. I must warn you though that good quality shibriyas, though not very valuable, are quite rare, so don't expect too much. The second shibriya (green background) used to belong to Khanjar1 and was discussed some years ago. The rings attached to the chain are indeed seal rings of bedouin chieftains dated to around 1910, if I remember correctly.

2nd January 2021, 01:13 AM	#5
Klop Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 63	Hi Motan, nice daggers. Could you also post a picture of the backside of the handles? I'm curiuous how the rings on the pommel are attached. Looks like solid blocks of brass with a hole, maybe hammered out like rivets on the backside? Thanks, Eric.

2nd January 2021, 01:18 AM	#6
Klop Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 63	on second thought, your latest addition seems to have a U-shape bent strip (split pen) holding the ring. In that case I expect bent ends at the rear - which may be covered by backplate and thus invisible....