what is this ?

gp · 13th May 2021, 08:52 PM

again looking for your knowledge on origin and age...
as I can only guess or speculate
only description was Antique Knife hande made with Silver
I have no more details as it hasn't arrived yet..

So please your thoughts , thank you very much !

Saracen · 13th May 2021, 09:55 PM

IMHO old Uzbek pchak

Ren Ren · 13th May 2021, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Saracen

IMHO old Uzbek pchak

I agree, but with one caveat. If the metal fittings are made of silver, then the item is older and comes from the Emirate of Bukhara. If the fittings are made of an alloy of lead and tin, then it is from Soviet Uzbekistan.

Saracen · 13th May 2021, 11:57 PM

Serge, no "if"

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Originally Posted by gp

...Knife hande made with Silver...

Ren Ren · 14th May 2021, 12:03 AM

However, I want to wait a bit

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Originally Posted by gp

I have no more details as it hasn't arrived yet..

gp · 18th May 2021, 08:16 PM

so it arrived today, cleaned some dirt and had a good look.
This horn handle is not as dark as the Ottoman horn you see in the Balkans or what you call present day Turkey; that looks close to more black.
This horn is more darkis brown when you look close at it,
As the seller's description was correct: the ferrule and star or flowerlike ornaments on the handle / grip are silver.
The 2 pieces of the handle / grip have a red metal in between them, ending into the ferrule: copper/bronze?

So hope this helps you forum member with your determination on its age ...

Ren Ren · 18th May 2021, 09:54 PM

I will cautiously assume - the first third of the 20th century.

gp · 18th May 2021, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ren Ren

I will cautiously assume - the first third of the 20th century.

Thank you very much!
So that would place it around the transition of the Emirate / Buxoro amirligi to the Bukharan PSR or perhaps a decade later the Uzbek SSR.

Ren Ren · 19th May 2021, 12:58 AM

This knife shape and style of decoration took place throughout the 20th century. But silver in the USSR was used in accordance with strict rules - the state assay mark was required. Therefore, I assume that the knife was made before such rules took effect in the Uzbek SSR.

mahratt · 19th May 2021, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gp

Thank you very much!
So that would place it around the transition of the Emirate / Buxoro amirligi to the Bukharan PSR or perhaps a decade later the Uzbek SSR.

An excellent knife for the late 19th century. Here is a similar one from the collection of the Danish ethnographer Ole Olufsen from the expedition to Bukhara in the 1890s

13th May 2021, 08:52 PM	#1
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 717	what is this ? again looking for your knowledge on origin and age... as I can only guess or speculate only description was Antique Knife hande made with Silver I have no more details as it hasn't arrived yet.. So please your thoughts , thank you very much ! Attached Images

18th May 2021, 08:16 PM	#6
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 717	so it arrived today, cleaned some dirt and had a good look. This horn handle is not as dark as the Ottoman horn you see in the Balkans or what you call present day Turkey; that looks close to more black. This horn is more darkis brown when you look close at it, As the seller's description was correct: the ferrule and star or flowerlike ornaments on the handle / grip are silver. The 2 pieces of the handle / grip have a red metal in between them, ending into the ferrule: copper/bronze? So hope this helps you forum member with your determination on its age ... Attached Images Last edited by gp; 18th May 2021 at 10:53 PM.

13th May 2021, 09:55 PM	#2
Saracen Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 147	IMHO old Uzbek pchak

18th May 2021, 09:54 PM	#7
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 374	I will cautiously assume - the first third of the 20th century.

19th May 2021, 12:58 AM	#9
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 374	This knife shape and style of decoration took place throughout the 20th century. But silver in the USSR was used in accordance with strict rules - the state assay mark was required. Therefore, I assume that the knife was made before such rules took effect in the Uzbek SSR.