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25th February 2011, 12:02 AM | #1 |
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a javanese hilt.
Hello Members ,
I found a keris with a ''strange'' smal hilt, and i.m looking for info now. i now 2 story,s about hilt,s without patra,s. I think i read somewhere that this kind is a older type , and i heart a storry yesterday that hilt,s like this could be a ''poor'' mans hilt , because it was cheaper without the carvings of the patra,s .(strange story imo) so hope that someone can help me in the right direction. regards, danny |
25th February 2011, 02:35 AM | #2 |
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I think you are right. Little work=cheap prize (of course with the same material and the same age, the same quality and... the same maker)
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25th February 2011, 05:02 PM | #3 |
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My personal - and humble - opinion is that it could be a hilt made outside Indonesia to replace the original lost. In fact, apart from the missing patra carving, the outlines of the hilt seem rather non-original to me.
In case it could be possible to identify the wood utilized, this could help. |
25th February 2011, 05:34 PM | #4 |
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@ marco,
Yes it could be possible that it was a cheaper version . @ Gio, I don,t think so Gio , this keris is brougth to holland in 1951 and since then it was in a box on the attick. |
25th February 2011, 08:11 PM | #5 |
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Hi Danny,
here a hilt from a keris which I have in my collection. East Java origin. I have seen some hilts without patras, most of the time from East Java. Regards, Detlef |
26th February 2011, 07:19 PM | #6 |
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@ Gio,
I don,t think so Gio , this keris is brougth to holland in 1951 and since then it was in a box on the attick.[/QUOTE] Yes, you are right. After further examination I recognize some characteristic lines. It could be a cheap solution or a hilt made in a hurry to dress the blade. |
28th February 2011, 08:26 AM | #7 |
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Not all Javanese planar hilts have cecekan.
Hilts made for sandang walikat dress usually do not carry cecekan. Sometimes a hilt will be made by an owner, and these do not have cecekan. A keris made by a general carver , especially in an area that is not under karaton influence will usually not have cecekan. Many reasons for no cecekan. |
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