indonesian blades ? Exact Origin ?

francantolin · 8th December 2014, 10:23 AM

Hello,

I have bought these two knives in flea market and don't really know much about.

The first seems to have a silver hilt (?), the blade and the scabbard seems to be more like a spear head ? Nice pamor ?...

The second is strange because the blade seems to be a small antique (?) spear head mixed with a more recent hilt (silver ?) and scabbard.

What do you think ? Age ? Origin ?

Thank you

Frankie

A. G. Maisey · 8th December 2014, 12:35 PM

Yes, they're spear blades (tombak).

I would need to handle them to estimate age and close examination would be necessary to provide a supportable opinion on origin, however, from what I can see in the photos, the first one is possibly Javanese. The metuk (transition fitting between blade and shaft) appears to be missing from this first blade and it looks like it has been replaced with a brass fitting.

kronckew · 8th December 2014, 02:38 PM

a good reference: from our Brother ref. site

Malay world edged weapons

click on the spears picture...

Rick · 8th December 2014, 03:56 PM

The handle on the second example looks very much like the ferrule from a spear .

francantolin · 8th December 2014, 06:37 PM

Thank you all for comments , informations and internet links !!

I live in Switzerland so unfortunately really difficult to meet ...

As I can see in internet , the first one is called a lading terus ,

For the second, do you think the scabbard is okay with this blade or better if I look for any other more ''original'' ?!

Thank you
Best regards

Frankie

Henk · 14th December 2014, 11:59 AM

Don't change anything on these tombaks. Very nice find. Congrats!!

8th December 2014, 10:23 AM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 877	indonesian blades ? Exact Origin ? Hello, I have bought these two knives in flea market and don't really know much about. The first seems to have a silver hilt (?), the blade and the scabbard seems to be more like a spear head ? Nice pamor ?... The second is strange because the blade seems to be a small antique (?) spear head mixed with a more recent hilt (silver ?) and scabbard. What do you think ? Age ? Origin ? Thank you Frankie Attached Images

8th December 2014, 06:37 PM	#5
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 877	Thank you all for comments , informations and internet links !! I live in Switzerland so unfortunately really difficult to meet ... As I can see in internet , the first one is called a lading terus , For the second, do you think the scabbard is okay with this blade or better if I look for any other more ''original'' ?! Thank you Best regards Frankie Attached Images

8th December 2014, 12:35 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	Yes, they're spear blades (tombak). I would need to handle them to estimate age and close examination would be necessary to provide a supportable opinion on origin, however, from what I can see in the photos, the first one is possibly Javanese. The metuk (transition fitting between blade and shaft) appears to be missing from this first blade and it looks like it has been replaced with a brass fitting.

8th December 2014, 02:38 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,184	a good reference: from our Brother ref. site Malay world edged weapons click on the spears picture...

8th December 2014, 03:56 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	The handle on the second example looks very much like the ferrule from a spear .

14th December 2014, 11:59 AM	#6
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Don't change anything on these tombaks. Very nice find. Congrats!!