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Unfortunately all I could manage to get is this little. I could not even find out in what Polish museum the item is preserved. Looks quite impressive from a psychological as well as a practical point of view anyway. The barrels are mounted immovably and would all fire simultaneously. Must have produced a tremendous impact ...
The bunch of barrels probably re-used from earlier German short arquebuses, length ca. 60 cm, the carriage and mounts late Baroque period, ca. 1700 or first half 18th c. Any comment much welcome. Best, Michael |
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A very impressive weapon Michael!!!
I would imagine an instant volley from this could startle a charging mass of troops and impede thier advance in theory for a moment. After firing, I wonder how long it would have taken to reload this. In noticing the barrels, they all seem of the same bore..I have read that the later type guns with standard bore were termed 'calivers' (i.e. caliber), what was the difference between that type gun and the short arquebus noted? I have noticed the many interesting multiple barrel guns you have posted over time, and though intrigued by them, could not really formulate reasonable questions, but this is a start ![]() All the best, Jim |
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Hi Jim,
Thank you so much for your brilliant comment and I do hope to adequately respond, as it was exactly the question I had been hoping for. Short (Landsknecht/mercenaries') arquebuses were in use from ca. 1450 (without locks) to ca. 1560 (with either match- or wheel-locks. Their overall lengths used to vary between ca. 80 and 100 cm, their barrels measuring about 60-75 cm in average, and they were ca. 4 kg in weight. The term caliver, as is commonly agreed on in general by the leading experts - not just myself ![]() ![]() ![]() In contrast, a caliver is defined as a much shorter and lighter weighing matchlock gun of an average length of ca. 140 cm, reduced caliver of ca. 14-16 mm and weighing about 4 kg, and the caliver man wore a Schützenhäubel (pear shaped helmet - grrr, got to look up the correct English term in auction sales catalogs as the web is not helpful at all), a rapier and a flat curved powder flask attached to a leather frog comprising a bullet pouch. Forgive me to call it a night, it's almost 3 a.m. in Bavaria and very late even for a nightowl like me. More following tomorrow ... And everybody interested in learning more about the subject, please revisit my former threads http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...echt+harquebus http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...echt+harquebus http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...echt+harquebus http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...echt+harquebus and http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...tchlock+musket Thanks and good night, and with all my very best wishes to out there on route 66 from a dead tired Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 1st October 2010 at 05:01 PM. |
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Hi Michael,
And in kind that was just the kind of response I was looking for!!! ![]() It is really fascinating to learn that the term 'caliber' is derived from these lighter muskets, and the note on the premeasured charges in bandoleers...the twelve apostles. It is amazing the dimension added by learning these contemporary colloquialisms! Thanks so much Michael! Route 66 calls, and two days til we roll again ![]() All the best, Jim |
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Thank you again, Jim!
Here are some of the engravings from de Geyn's manual of exercise Wapenhandelinghe ..., 1608. The musketeer wears a hat, the caliver man (Schütze) an iron Schützenhäubel. Best, Michael |
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Hi Michael,
Thank you immensely for these images from Gheyn's work. Indeed after reading Arne Hoff's Dutch Firearms I have been pondering how to access Gheyn when 'voila' you have provided a solution. So thanks again. I do assume the full book has more text to it? How large is it in its entirety? A question. Till when in your opinon did the gun barrels continue to be made octagonal at the breech and rounded at the muzzle with a transition design as seen in Gheyns? Regards. Anan. |
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Hi Anan,
It's been good to hear of you again, pal! ![]() De Gheyn's Wapenhandelinghe was the first exercise manual of its kind, mainly regarding firearms, and consequently had many followers (the first of them being Wallhausen in 1616) which mostly confined themselves to copy the original at large, and on a lesser level. Actually the volume the frontispiece of which is engraved 1607 but was printed in 1608, comprises three sections of weapon handling commands respectively: for the caliverman (45 plates), the musketeer (42 plates), and the pikeman (32 plates). There is very little text, just a summary of the single commands prior to each section. If you are especially interested in the text in Old Dutch I can scan and post it. Generally you will be well advised to watch out and seek the web for the perfect reprint: Jacob de Gheyn: The Exercise of Armes (sic!), Lochem and McGraw Hill, Inc., ISBN 90-6087-271-1 or 07-016237-9. I just noticed Amazon offering a paperback version at 14 USD: http://www.amazon.com/Exercise-Armes.../dp/0486404420 As to your second question: in Germany, barrels with an octagonal breech changing to a round and longer forward section have been made starting as early as the late 15th century. The raised and acanthus leaves chiseled intermitting bands pictured by de Gheyn only arose in the 1550's. Actually not one single existing matchlock musket is known to be equipped with them ... Best, Michael |
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Hurry Anan,
They now have one copy less ![]() |
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