My last adquisitions, dagger and sword. Philippines?

carlos · 13th September 2019, 10:03 AM

I just open the box...this 2 pieces were inside.
The first is a dagger, maybe philippines, engraved Q V D, very strong.
The second seems like a short sword, maybe from navy?
Only with a mark, a Z inside a shield.
I hope enjoy pictures
Thanks

Battara · 13th September 2019, 10:00 PM

I'd agree that the dagger is from the Island of Luzon.

Not seen a sword like this before, but it also looks broken. I was wondering if it were Spanish, but not as sure.

carlos · 14th September 2019, 10:55 PM

I have investigated and the mark from the sword seems german, clemen & jung but I don,t know nothing about origin of the sword.
Thank you very much
Carlos

Ian · 15th September 2019, 02:51 AM

Hi carlos,

Yes, the blade on your short sword is likely European, perhaps a cavalry saber from the mid-19th C. I agree with Jose when he says that the blade was broken and reshaped. There appears to have been a knuckle guard also, and part of that is missing.

The dagger is interesting. The hilt looks Ilokano to me, with a horn grip, a short brass ferrule at either end, and a small knob fixed to the full length tang. Also, the close-fitting tooled leather sheath commonly accompanies Ilokano knives. I'm assuming that the cross section of the blade is a flattened triangular shape, which is certainly seen on some Luzon knives of the late 19th C.

A couple of good finds.

Ian

13th September 2019, 10:03 AM	#1
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 738	My last adquisitions, dagger and sword. Philippines? I just open the box...this 2 pieces were inside. The first is a dagger, maybe philippines, engraved Q V D, very strong. The second seems like a short sword, maybe from navy? Only with a mark, a Z inside a shield. I hope enjoy pictures Thanks Attached Images

13th September 2019, 10:00 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	I'd agree that the dagger is from the Island of Luzon. Not seen a sword like this before, but it also looks broken. I was wondering if it were Spanish, but not as sure. Last edited by Battara; 14th September 2019 at 01:14 AM.

14th September 2019, 10:55 PM	#3
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 738	I have investigated and the mark from the sword seems german, clemen & jung but I don,t know nothing about origin of the sword. Thank you very much Carlos

15th September 2019, 02:51 AM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,207	Hi carlos, Yes, the blade on your short sword is likely European, perhaps a cavalry saber from the mid-19th C. I agree with Jose when he says that the blade was broken and reshaped. There appears to have been a knuckle guard also, and part of that is missing. The dagger is interesting. The hilt looks Ilokano to me, with a horn grip, a short brass ferrule at either end, and a small knob fixed to the full length tang. Also, the close-fitting tooled leather sheath commonly accompanies Ilokano knives. I'm assuming that the cross section of the blade is a flattened triangular shape, which is certainly seen on some Luzon knives of the late 19th C. A couple of good finds. Ian