sword and sheath for id please

weapons 27 · 7th March 2019, 03:46 PM

could you identify this sword and this sheath ..
the sheath must belong to another knife.
thank to all

Bob A · 7th March 2019, 04:55 PM

From the markings on the blade, and the shape of the handle, I'd put the sword somewhere in the Malay Archipelago.

While I've seen open-sided sheaths, I won't hazard a guess on this one's origin. (I haven't seen enough of them).

Rick · 7th March 2019, 05:08 PM

North Vietnamese, I would think. Possibly called a Guom although it's a bit short.
The decoration at the forte indicates this to me.

The scabbard ???

Tim Simmons · 7th March 2019, 06:10 PM

Chinese? sword blade made into 2 or 3 big knives in a jungle back woods settlement? Really like the scabbard.

josh stout · 7th March 2019, 06:49 PM

The decoration on the blade definitely says Vietnamese, and the rest of the construction is consistent with that, but the scabbard is a mystery.

Did they come from the same place, or are they just associated by a collector.

Does the sword fit, or are they unrelated?

Sajen · 7th March 2019, 08:56 PM

I am with Rick and Josh, the sword is clearly Vietnamese and like all others I don't remember to have seen before a similar scabbard. But it look like made for a hatchet, material and design point in direction China or surrounding area IMVHO.

Regards,
detlef

Ren Ren · 7th March 2019, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Chinese? sword blade made into 2 or 3 big knives in a jungle back woods settlement? Really like the scabbard.

Vietnamese also used Chinese characters. In the fourth photo, the inscription 用家 "Yong's family" (if read in Mandarin). In Vietnamese, 用 reads like Dụng.

I agree that this sword comes from North or North-West Vietnam (where the borders with Laos and China are located). I have seen similar scabbard in the mountaineers of Laos. They carried knives like sickle into them.

Ren Ren · 8th March 2019, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Possibly called a Guom although it's a bit short.

This is a good question

Vietnamese use the word "Guom" (or "Kiem") when talking about special made military swords. Utility knives are called "Dao" (or "Zao"), even if they can be used as combat ones.

weapons 27 · 8th March 2019, 01:22 PM

I bought this sword with this sheath .. I was not sure he was going with this sword .....
apparently he would belong to that sword ...

Ren Ren · 8th March 2019, 03:03 PM

The first character in the fifth photo is difficult to understand. Maybe 倉. In this case, the whole inscription 倉玉. Pronounced "Cāng Yù" (in Mandarin) or "Thương Ngọc" (in Vietnamese). Translated means "Cyan Jade". This is like the name of a person.

weapons 27 · 9th March 2019, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ren Ren

The first character in the fifth photo is difficult to understand. Maybe 倉. In this case, the whole inscription 倉玉. Pronounced "Cāng Yù" (in Mandarin) or "Thương Ngọc" (in Vietnamese). Translated means "Cyan Jade". This is like the name of a person.

new photo character

Ian · 16th June 2019, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weapons 27

I bought this sword with this sheath .. I was not sure he was going with this sword .....
apparently he would belong to that sword ...

The style of large knife you show is common in northern Laos/Vietnam and has a strong Chinese flavor. This has already been discussed by others.

The open scabbard is one of many styles and was probably intended to carry a small mak. Although at one time the mak was a weapon, it is a common utility tool found widely in Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam. It is a curved utility knife somewhat resembling a sickle or bill hook, and a search of this site will show examples of varying lengths and styles (see here for example: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6204). Your scabbard would have held a short example of that working knife, which is used mainly to chop firewood, clear brush, etc.

Attached are three examples of mak. The two smaller ones are similar to what would have fitted originally in your scabbard. The longer one is used for heavier brush and cutting larger trunks.

Ian.
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Ren Ren · 25th October 2019, 11:59 PM

A woman from northern Vietnam (Tuyên Quang province). I think that the sword by weapons 27 once had a similar scabbard.

Laneboy90 · 11th June 2019, 08:02 PM

Just trying to figure out if this is a yataghan. And who the maker is and how old

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 16th June 2019, 02:02 PM

THE DATE SAYS 1212 Al Hijri and above that a note saying amal ahmed/hamed? made by ahmed/hamed?. That puts it in 1797 A.D. See https://habibur.com/hijri/1212/4/

PLEASE SHOW THE FULL WEAPON ...Thanks

Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Sajen · 16th June 2019, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

PLEASE SHOW THE FULL WEAPON ...Thanks

And it would be great to create an own thread for this blade!

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 16th June 2019, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

And it would be great to create an own thread for this blade!

Seconded !!

7th March 2019, 03:46 PM	#1
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	sword and sheath for id please could you identify this sword and this sheath .. the sheath must belong to another knife. thank to all Attached Images

8th March 2019, 01:22 PM	#9
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	I bought this sword with this sheath .. I was not sure he was going with this sword ..... apparently he would belong to that sword ... Attached Images

25th October 2019, 11:59 PM	#13
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 374	A woman from northern Vietnam (Tuyên Quang province). I think that the sword by weapons 27 once had a similar scabbard. Attached Images

11th June 2019, 08:02 PM	#14
Laneboy90 Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 1	Help with identity,age,translation..tia Just trying to figure out if this is a yataghan. And who the maker is and how old Attached Images

16th June 2019, 02:02 PM	#15
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	THE DATE SAYS 1212 Al Hijri and above that a note saying amal ahmed/hamed? made by ahmed/hamed?. That puts it in 1797 A.D. See https://habibur.com/hijri/1212/4/ PLEASE SHOW THE FULL WEAPON ...Thanks Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 16th June 2019 at 02:13 PM.

7th March 2019, 04:55 PM	#2
Bob A Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 429	From the markings on the blade, and the shape of the handle, I'd put the sword somewhere in the Malay Archipelago. While I've seen open-sided sheaths, I won't hazard a guess on this one's origin. (I haven't seen enough of them).

7th March 2019, 05:08 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,294	North Vietnamese, I would think. Possibly called a Guom although it's a bit short. The decoration at the forte indicates this to me. The scabbard ???

7th March 2019, 06:10 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Chinese? sword blade made into 2 or 3 big knives in a jungle back woods settlement? Really like the scabbard.

7th March 2019, 06:49 PM	#5
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	The decoration on the blade definitely says Vietnamese, and the rest of the construction is consistent with that, but the scabbard is a mystery. Did they come from the same place, or are they just associated by a collector. Does the sword fit, or are they unrelated?

7th March 2019, 08:56 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,797	I am with Rick and Josh, the sword is clearly Vietnamese and like all others I don't remember to have seen before a similar scabbard. But it look like made for a hatchet, material and design point in direction China or surrounding area IMVHO. Regards, detlef

8th March 2019, 03:03 PM	#10
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 374	The first character in the fifth photo is difficult to understand. Maybe 倉. In this case, the whole inscription 倉玉. Pronounced "Cāng Yù" (in Mandarin) or "Thương Ngọc" (in Vietnamese). Translated means "Cyan Jade". This is like the name of a person.