Can you help …..?

Amuk Murugul · Yesterday, 05:28 AM

Hullo everybody!

I need help in locating a kris/keris with fretwork similar to that shown in the picture attached. Please look at it carefully if you think you may be able to help.

Thank you.

Best,

Battara · Yesterday, 10:56 PM

Looks Balinese to me.

Gustav · Yesterday, 11:19 PM

It is from a time period when Javanese and Balinese was very close.

A. G. Maisey · Today, 02:07 AM

This greneng does not fit within the major recognised Javanese greneng forms of any period.

It is very probably the work of a maker who was not influenced by a major keris classification.

It might be of some assistance to see a well executed photograph of the entire keris.

Amuk Murugul · Today, 03:12 AM

Hullo gentlemen,

Thank you for your replies.

Battara: You may be correct, but I haven’t seen it on any Balinese/Lombok keris.

Gustav: You may generally be confirming my suspicions.

Alan: I agree with you to a certain extent.
To date, I have seen several kerises with it (both straight and eloek blades). All were enviably well-executed.(Hence my interest in owning one for further investigation.)
Please accept my sincere apologies; the above picture was the only one allowed me at the time.

Once again, thank you all.

Best,

A. G. Maisey · Today, 03:28 AM

Could I request a clarification of what you mean by "some extent"?

Reason being, that when I could not place this greneng from my own memory, I then spent quite a bit of time trying to find a match in books & other published works, but I could not locate a match.

This greneng does display elements of other greneng forms that are pretty much standardised forms, but none of these are a match for the posted photo.

One of the major indicators for a Javanese keris classification (tangguh) is the rondha, & sometimes the complete greneng, if this greneng under discussion does not fit within the matrix then we might need to start thinking along somewhat different lines.

It is regrettable that you were not permitted the opportunity to produce a reasonably clear photograph, I really cannot see important details very well at all on the photo posted. I did massage this photo through Photoshop, but it is such a small image that it pixelated and became even harder to read.

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Yesterday, 10:56 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Looks Balinese to me.

Yesterday, 11:19 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,261	It is from a time period when Javanese and Balinese was very close.

Today, 02:07 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,962	This greneng does not fit within the major recognised Javanese greneng forms of any period. It is very probably the work of a maker who was not influenced by a major keris classification. It might be of some assistance to see a well executed photograph of the entire keris.

Today, 03:12 AM	#5
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 468	Hullo gentlemen, Thank you for your replies. Battara: You may be correct, but I haven’t seen it on any Balinese/Lombok keris. Gustav: You may generally be confirming my suspicions. Alan: I agree with you to a certain extent. To date, I have seen several kerises with it (both straight and eloek blades). All were enviably well-executed.(Hence my interest in owning one for further investigation.) Please accept my sincere apologies; the above picture was the only one allowed me at the time. Once again, thank you all. Best,

Today, 03:28 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,962	Could I request a clarification of what you mean by "some extent"? Reason being, that when I could not place this greneng from my own memory, I then spent quite a bit of time trying to find a match in books & other published works, but I could not locate a match. This greneng does display elements of other greneng forms that are pretty much standardised forms, but none of these are a match for the posted photo. One of the major indicators for a Javanese keris classification (tangguh) is the rondha, & sometimes the complete greneng, if this greneng under discussion does not fit within the matrix then we might need to start thinking along somewhat different lines. It is regrettable that you were not permitted the opportunity to produce a reasonably clear photograph, I really cannot see important details very well at all on the photo posted. I did massage this photo through Photoshop, but it is such a small image that it pixelated and became even harder to read.