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Marcokeris · 3rd December 2021, 04:02 PM

I am very surprised that I have never read a single comment on Mrs. Vanna Ghiringhelli's latest book here.
I am writing this not to advertise the book .... but only for observation

Jean · 3rd December 2021, 06:57 PM

Hello Marco,
It was advertised by Patrick in the Keris Swap Forum on 25th November 2020 but nobody discussed on it indeed (I got the book and commented directly to Vanna, another very good book from her).
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 3rd December 2021, 08:06 PM

Marco, I know that Vanna has a new book in production, but I thought that publication is still on the way.

jagabuwana · 4th December 2021, 06:25 AM

I have been meaning to write a review of it for some time. Hmm. This may spur me to do it sooner rather than later.

Interested Party · 4th December 2021, 04:22 PM

I read it. Well written with good production value. Mrs Ghiringhelli's scolarship and passion is appreciated as well as her willingness to make an English translation. For these qualities alone I say thank you. Interesting, if not an absolute page turner. The bibliography was a nice list for suggested reading, but well done books' always are

I particularly liked the advice of obtaining a Keris Buda to moderate a group of newer keris' behavior. Mrs. Ghiringhelli had a tough task in this book of balancing between new readers and well read students hungry for new and esoteric keris knowledge in print. Printing the unsaid with authority may be an unachievable goal, or if too much is said a sacrilege (jaga, I believe you have been considering this question among others if I am not mistaken?). All in all, I liked her hilts book better. I believe both in content and artistically Keris Hilts was her most successful endeavor. At least the one that left the most lasting impression. I think I have learned more from this thread's contributors writings than the book in question. After writing this I think I will give The Invisable World of the Keris a reread to insure the books message didn't go over my head. It is definitely worth that. Maybe when I finally get a chance to read Groneman and Haryoguritmo I will feel enlightened.

On and off topic jaga and Mr. Maisey have me questioning if all old keris were created equally in an animated, golum kind of sense.

A. G. Maisey · 4th December 2021, 06:59 PM

No IP, all old keris were not created equal.

In traditional Jawa/Bali belief only a keris made by an Empu could possess esoteric qualities. Only the empus knew the correct mantras, as well as the other requirements for creation of the keris as shrine and/or pusaka.

This is not to say that all keris made by an empu were made as keris with a spiritual value.

IP, if you have not yet read:-

Visible and Invisible Realms-Margaret J.Wiener
ISBN 0-226-88582-8/1,The University of Chicago Press

I suggest that your time would be well spent in doing so.

3rd December 2021, 04:02 PM	#1
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Invisibile world I am very surprised that I have never read a single comment on Mrs. Vanna Ghiringhelli's latest book here. I am writing this not to advertise the book .... but only for observation

4th December 2021, 04:22 PM	#5
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 491	I read it. Well written with good production value. Mrs Ghiringhelli's scolarship and passion is appreciated as well as her willingness to make an English translation. For these qualities alone I say thank you. Interesting, if not an absolute page turner. The bibliography was a nice list for suggested reading, but well done books' always are I particularly liked the advice of obtaining a Keris Buda to moderate a group of newer keris' behavior. Mrs. Ghiringhelli had a tough task in this book of balancing between new readers and well read students hungry for new and esoteric keris knowledge in print. Printing the unsaid with authority may be an unachievable goal, or if too much is said a sacrilege (jaga, I believe you have been considering this question among others if I am not mistaken?). All in all, I liked her hilts book better. I believe both in content and artistically Keris Hilts was her most successful endeavor. At least the one that left the most lasting impression. I think I have learned more from this thread's contributors writings than the book in question. After writing this I think I will give The Invisable World of the Keris a reread to insure the books message didn't go over my head. It is definitely worth that. Maybe when I finally get a chance to read Groneman and Haryoguritmo I will feel enlightened. On and off topic jaga and Mr. Maisey have me questioning if all old keris were created equally in an animated, golum kind of sense. Last edited by Interested Party; 4th December 2021 at 06:39 PM.

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3rd December 2021, 06:57 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Marco, It was advertised by Patrick in the Keris Swap Forum on 25th November 2020 but nobody discussed on it indeed (I got the book and commented directly to Vanna, another very good book from her). Regards

3rd December 2021, 08:06 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Marco, I know that Vanna has a new book in production, but I thought that publication is still on the way.

4th December 2021, 06:25 AM	#4
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 290	I have been meaning to write a review of it for some time. Hmm. This may spur me to do it sooner rather than later.

4th December 2021, 06:59 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	No IP, all old keris were not created equal. In traditional Jawa/Bali belief only a keris made by an Empu could possess esoteric qualities. Only the empus knew the correct mantras, as well as the other requirements for creation of the keris as shrine and/or pusaka. This is not to say that all keris made by an empu were made as keris with a spiritual value. IP, if you have not yet read:- Visible and Invisible Realms-Margaret J.Wiener ISBN 0-226-88582-8/1,The University of Chicago Press I suggest that your time would be well spent in doing so.