Modified Barong, Farm Implement or Something Else?

drac2k · 5th February 2021, 08:48 PM

I just picked up this item and I'm not quite sure if it is a barong with a modified tip, or something else. It looks like it could have been hit by a bullet or maybe just a rock. The handle is horn.
Has anyone seen something like this before

Rick · 5th February 2021, 08:56 PM

Are those stamps I see on the blade?

drac2k · 5th February 2021, 11:50 PM

No, the front (large indentation)missing metal, on the back, a bulge, and missing metal. It could be delamination, but it doesn't really look like it to me.

Sajen · 6th February 2021, 10:37 AM

Very interesting item.

Never seen something similar.

Regards,
Detlef

drac2k · 6th February 2021, 04:00 PM

I was wondering if someone modified a barong for agricultural use or if it was actually a form of a sword.

kronckew · 6th February 2021, 06:15 PM

The Spanish occupiers of the Philippines at one point outlawed sharp pointy things. They did permit sharp blunt things, and allowed breaking off the points on 'agricultural tools' to make them into 'not weapons'. Which of course did not work, as most of the weapony items were designed to cut and slice, not so much poke.

Bit of thread veer, but kinda on topic:

I have a European (Italian) pipe-back cavalry sword that has an obvious bullet strike, an obvious neat circular depression on the port side about a foot or so from the guard, and a nice round bump on starboard, not involving the pipe spine at all or bend the blade, the depression circle just touches the spine. There is a slight crack on the edge which is presumably harder. Had the blade been laminated as your might be, it might look like that tho. The scabbard has no damage, so presumably the owner was using it at the time and re-scabbarded it after, and survived. If yours is the same, they both would have quite a tale to tell.

Italian 1877 pipe-back sabre you can just make out the dimple. I like to think it was used at the Last Italian Savoia Cavalry Charge against the Soviets in ww2. the Last Italian Savoia Cavalry Charge against the Soviets in ww2.

Interesting that the last surviving horse was blinded but survived til 1960. The ref. movie is here at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_niblRkW0
(in Italian & B&W) - The good bits start at 1:13:15 - The white horse survivor is quite prominent.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled program: Veer off.

5th February 2021, 08:48 PM	#1
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Modified Barong, Farm Implement or Something Else? I just picked up this item and I'm not quite sure if it is a barong with a modified tip, or something else. It looks like it could have been hit by a bullet or maybe just a rock. The handle is horn. Has anyone seen something like this before Attached Images

6th February 2021, 06:15 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	The Spanish occupiers of the Philippines at one point outlawed sharp pointy things. They did permit sharp blunt things, and allowed breaking off the points on 'agricultural tools' to make them into 'not weapons'. Which of course did not work, as most of the weapony items were designed to cut and slice, not so much poke. Bit of thread veer, but kinda on topic: I have a European (Italian) pipe-back cavalry sword that has an obvious bullet strike, an obvious neat circular depression on the port side about a foot or so from the guard, and a nice round bump on starboard, not involving the pipe spine at all or bend the blade, the depression circle just touches the spine. There is a slight crack on the edge which is presumably harder. Had the blade been laminated as your might be, it might look like that tho. The scabbard has no damage, so presumably the owner was using it at the time and re-scabbarded it after, and survived. If yours is the same, they both would have quite a tale to tell. Italian 1877 pipe-back sabre you can just make out the dimple. I like to think it was used at the Last Italian Savoia Cavalry Charge against the Soviets in ww2. the Last Italian Savoia Cavalry Charge against the Soviets in ww2. Interesting that the last surviving horse was blinded but survived til 1960. The ref. movie is here at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_niblRkW0 (in Italian & B&W) - The good bits start at 1:13:15 - The white horse survivor is quite prominent. We now return you to our regularly scheduled program: Veer off. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 6th February 2021 at 07:45 PM.

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5th February 2021, 08:56 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Are those stamps I see on the blade?

5th February 2021, 11:50 PM	#3
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	No, the front (large indentation)missing metal, on the back, a bulge, and missing metal. It could be delamination, but it doesn't really look like it to me.

6th February 2021, 10:37 AM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Very interesting item. Never seen something similar. Regards, Detlef

6th February 2021, 04:00 PM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	I was wondering if someone modified a barong for agricultural use or if it was actually a form of a sword.