A 17 th century military rapier.

Cerjak · 11th April 2017, 05:31 PM

A 17 TH century military rapier.
Any comment on it would be welcome
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Cerjak · 11th April 2017, 05:36 PM

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fernando · 11th April 2017, 05:45 PM

Very nice.
Why is it military ?
Any marks ?

Foxbat · 11th April 2017, 06:28 PM

An honest good piece, all "together". I agree, it could be the military one, with its heavy hilt construction and lack of fancy details.

Jim McDougall · 11th April 2017, 09:59 PM

Foxbat,
Just wanted to see I have truly enjoyed your entries on these various threads, and your input and astute observations are outstanding! Thank you for these comments and for sharing your clearly experience oriented knowledge here. Most of my information is through references, and having insight from hands on experience and handling of weapons to augment such data is most valuable, and helps us all learn together.

I agree this is likely military, an arming sword, and its austere character though with wrapped grip with turks heads suggests probably a fighting example for officers?

Foxbat · 13th April 2017, 08:08 PM

Thank you for your kind comments, Jim.

As far as this particular piece, first of all, I would date it slightly earlier, the end of 16th century. Unfortunately I have not seen any clear documentation as far as the trooper versus officer styles of weapons - unlike those from, say, the 19th century. However, the wire wrap and turk heads were the norm, rather than the enhancement at that time, so, considering the overall stout but plain nature of the beast I would be inclined to consider it the standard issue arm.

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11th April 2017, 05:45 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Very nice. Why is it military ? Any marks ?

11th April 2017, 06:28 PM	#4
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	An honest good piece, all "together". I agree, it could be the military one, with its heavy hilt construction and lack of fancy details.

11th April 2017, 09:59 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,955	Foxbat, Just wanted to see I have truly enjoyed your entries on these various threads, and your input and astute observations are outstanding! Thank you for these comments and for sharing your clearly experience oriented knowledge here. Most of my information is through references, and having insight from hands on experience and handling of weapons to augment such data is most valuable, and helps us all learn together. I agree this is likely military, an arming sword, and its austere character though with wrapped grip with turks heads suggests probably a fighting example for officers?

13th April 2017, 08:08 PM	#6
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	Thank you for your kind comments, Jim. As far as this particular piece, first of all, I would date it slightly earlier, the end of 16th century. Unfortunately I have not seen any clear documentation as far as the trooper versus officer styles of weapons - unlike those from, say, the 19th century. However, the wire wrap and turk heads were the norm, rather than the enhancement at that time, so, considering the overall stout but plain nature of the beast I would be inclined to consider it the standard issue arm.