What kind of sword is this?

Mercenary · 11th February 2017, 03:21 PM

1635-40

Henk · 11th February 2017, 03:51 PM

I would say a dha

Kubur · 11th February 2017, 03:53 PM

a dha too
and behind an Indian bow with quiver?

Mercenary · 11th February 2017, 05:22 PM

Henk, Kubur thanks!
What are the earliest accounts about dha we know?
May be it is Japanese tachi?

Rich · 11th February 2017, 05:28 PM

I doubt it is a Japanese tachi. Wrong type of mounts, fittings and hanger.

Rich

Marcus · 11th February 2017, 05:31 PM

At this time Japan was cut off from the western world but South East Asia was in contact with the Dutch, Portuguese, and English. It looks like a Dha to me too.

Jim McDougall · 11th February 2017, 07:22 PM

I am not sure of the title and origin of this painting, but it certainly appears of the Dutch masters schools and in accord with the period.
This is most certainly a dha, and by the squared chape style probably Burmese or Thai but these regions at that time were of course under different national headings.

It is interesting just how prevalent 'globalization ' was in these times, and Rembrandt was known for having quite a collection of arms and armour, often 'exotica' from these areas in the Dutch trade of the East Indies.
SE Asia, in particular Viet Nam was regarded as Cochin China, and contact with these contiguous countries via Dutch factories in many of them including China proper, India and the many archipelagos would account for such items.

Also interesting to see the dha and mounts in real time depiction establishing set period for the styling (though probably well established earlier).

ausjulius · 19th February 2017, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercenary

Henk, Kubur thanks!
What are the earliest accounts about dha we know?
May be it is Japanese tachi?

there was in this time large numbers of both europeans and japanee living in both burma and various kingdoms in thailand and there is dah from this time with japanese style fittings. tsuba. ect a. also japanese produced quantities for export of blades sold in south east asia and china.
additionally the japanese made court sword handles for sale to the dutch. mostly of copper or silver but with japanese style decorations.
i believe there was even chinese made handles sold in poland/lithuanian in the 16th century.

the whole "samurai sword" thing in south east asia well predates ww2.. there is examples of 16th century swords used in the philipines . thailand and java with japanese blades.
europeans were no different .. if something looks interesting people will buy it and use it .. just like the sri lankan kastane swords taken to europe in that time.

Jim McDougall · 19th February 2017, 05:38 AM

Well noted Ausjulius,
The sword hilts fashioned in Japanese style in those alloys were termed 'shakudo' as described in Aylward (1945). I do believe that Chinese craftsmen were also brought into Polish workshops, I think Lvov, but need to find the reference (perhaps Ostrolski). Absolutely right, the European fascination with weapons exotica was prevalent in 17th and 18th centuries via the trade networks of the East Indies companies.

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11th February 2017, 03:51 PM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I would say a dha

11th February 2017, 03:53 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	a dha too and behind an Indian bow with quiver?

11th February 2017, 05:22 PM	#4
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 421	Henk, Kubur thanks! What are the earliest accounts about dha we know? May be it is Japanese tachi?

11th February 2017, 05:28 PM	#5
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	I doubt it is a Japanese tachi. Wrong type of mounts, fittings and hanger. Rich

11th February 2017, 05:31 PM	#6
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	At this time Japan was cut off from the western world but South East Asia was in contact with the Dutch, Portuguese, and English. It looks like a Dha to me too.

11th February 2017, 07:22 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,972	I am not sure of the title and origin of this painting, but it certainly appears of the Dutch masters schools and in accord with the period. This is most certainly a dha, and by the squared chape style probably Burmese or Thai but these regions at that time were of course under different national headings. It is interesting just how prevalent 'globalization ' was in these times, and Rembrandt was known for having quite a collection of arms and armour, often 'exotica' from these areas in the Dutch trade of the East Indies. SE Asia, in particular Viet Nam was regarded as Cochin China, and contact with these contiguous countries via Dutch factories in many of them including China proper, India and the many archipelagos would account for such items. Also interesting to see the dha and mounts in real time depiction establishing set period for the styling (though probably well established earlier).

19th February 2017, 05:38 AM	#9
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,972	Well noted Ausjulius, The sword hilts fashioned in Japanese style in those alloys were termed 'shakudo' as described in Aylward (1945). I do believe that Chinese craftsmen were also brought into Polish workshops, I think Lvov, but need to find the reference (perhaps Ostrolski). Absolutely right, the European fascination with weapons exotica was prevalent in 17th and 18th centuries via the trade networks of the East Indies companies.