Keris blade

Sajen · 27th June 2009, 01:42 PM

Hello,

I buy this keris blade from e-bay because I like the shape of the blade.
All informations and inputs are welcome. The blade is 16,75 in / 42,55 cm.

Rick · 27th June 2009, 04:19 PM

From what I can see it looks nicely executed .
I like the ada ada and the strongly defined work in the sorsoran .

Any ideas yourself, Ferry ?
E. Jawa ?

Sajen · 27th June 2009, 07:39 PM

Thank you Rick for comment. Yes, my guess is also East Java. The long ada ada I also like. Any ideas which dapur this can be?

Detlef

ganjawulung · 28th June 2009, 02:37 AM

Ferry,
Regarding the ricikan (details) of your keris, that has a sekar kacang, tikel alis, two sogokan (front and rear), sraweyan, greneng and mainly with ada-ada (a little bit gigir lembu) -- then it has characteristics of keris of dhapur "panimbal". The problem is, panimbal usually has two lambe gajah. But yours has only one...

GANJAWULUNG

Sajen · 28th June 2009, 03:35 AM

Dear Pak Ganja,

maybe I am completly wrong, but Panimbal don't have a lambe gajah, or?

PS: my name is Detlef and not Ferry.

ganjawulung · 28th June 2009, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

maybe I am completly wrong, but Panimbal don't have a lambe gajah, or?

PS: my name is Detlef and not Ferry.

I apologize, Detlef for the wrong mentioning of your name... Panimbal usually has lambe gajah. Even there are two different opinions on this. Either one (Mr Haryono Guritno, for instance) or two lambe gajah (Mr Harsrinuksmo)... You may check also in "Dhapur" book which based on Pangeran Hadiwidjojo's sources....

GANJAWULUNG

ferrylaki · 29th June 2009, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

From what I can see it looks nicely executed .
I like the ada ada and the strongly defined work in the sorsoran .

Any ideas yourself, Ferry ?
E. Jawa ?

This is looks like an unfinished keris for me. you can see there are so many areas with clumsy tool mark. the sraweyan is not smooth(need more work on this), the pijetan/blumbangan, the gandik, the sirah cecak, another hours of smoothing job would make it beautifull.

FERRYLAKI

A. G. Maisey · 29th June 2009, 03:54 AM

Its finished Ferry --- according to the man who made it.

Its just not finished to a high standard. Don't forget that very often a lowly keris will be made with very limited tools. The final finishing was often done with pieces of stone or terra cotta, and the final polish with ground terra cotta and water, or ground coral and water.

Sajen · 29th June 2009, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ferrylaki

This is looks like an unfinished keris for me. you can see there are so many areas with clumsy tool mark. the sraweyan is not smooth(need more work on this), the pijetan/blumbangan, the gandik, the sirah cecak, another hours of smoothing job would make it beautifull.

FERRYLAKI

Dear Ferrylaki,

I think it is difficult to see it clearly on the pictures from the seller, it is an old blade and what we see is maybe only corrosion. The blade have had maybe harder corrosion and is repolished and this not smooth?

I will try to make better pics when I hold it in my hands.

sajen

Sajen · 9th July 2009, 01:43 PM

Hello,

received the blade and it seems to my eyes that the not smooth finish of the blade is a mixture between a really not smooth finish of the blade and maybe a grit blasting and cleaning with crude tools to remove corrosion from a former owner of the blade. You can see many cratches from a file at the blade and unevennesses at the complete blade what let me think that the blade is cleaned by grit/sand blasting one time. It's a shame!

sajen

A. G. Maisey · 9th July 2009, 02:18 PM

A few hours with wet & dry paper, a light re-etch, and you'll have something pretty OK.

When we buy keris from outside the culture it is not at all unusual to expect to have to do a bit of work to bring them to where they should be.

27th June 2009, 01:42 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Keris blade Hello, I buy this keris blade from e-bay because I like the shape of the blade. All informations and inputs are welcome. The blade is 16,75 in / 42,55 cm. Attached Images

28th June 2009, 02:37 AM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Could be Panimbal Ferry, Regarding the ricikan (details) of your keris, that has a sekar kacang, tikel alis, two sogokan (front and rear), sraweyan, greneng and mainly with ada-ada (a little bit gigir lembu) -- then it has characteristics of keris of dhapur "panimbal". The problem is, panimbal usually has two lambe gajah. But yours has only one... GANJAWULUNG

9th July 2009, 01:43 PM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello, received the blade and it seems to my eyes that the not smooth finish of the blade is a mixture between a really not smooth finish of the blade and maybe a grit blasting and cleaning with crude tools to remove corrosion from a former owner of the blade. You can see many cratches from a file at the blade and unevennesses at the complete blade what let me think that the blade is cleaned by grit/sand blasting one time. It's a shame! sajen Attached Images

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27th June 2009, 04:19 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	From what I can see it looks nicely executed . I like the ada ada and the strongly defined work in the sorsoran . Any ideas yourself, Ferry ? E. Jawa ?

27th June 2009, 07:39 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Thank you Rick for comment. Yes, my guess is also East Java. The long ada ada I also like. Any ideas which dapur this can be? Detlef

28th June 2009, 03:35 AM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Dear Pak Ganja, maybe I am completly wrong, but Panimbal don't have a lambe gajah, or? PS: my name is Detlef and not Ferry.

29th June 2009, 03:54 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Its finished Ferry --- according to the man who made it. Its just not finished to a high standard. Don't forget that very often a lowly keris will be made with very limited tools. The final finishing was often done with pieces of stone or terra cotta, and the final polish with ground terra cotta and water, or ground coral and water.

9th July 2009, 02:18 PM	#11
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	A few hours with wet & dry paper, a light re-etch, and you'll have something pretty OK. When we buy keris from outside the culture it is not at all unusual to expect to have to do a bit of work to bring them to where they should be.