Old knife ID (no longer in possesion)

Helleri · 19th January 2016, 04:15 PM

Had posted this one up on another forums a couple of years ago with no response. Since then it has been lost and...possibly included into a piece of bricolage artwork (kinda hard to tell what happened to it). Any way I was looking at the older pages on my photobucket and found it there so I decided to see if anyone here might know what it was. If I recall correctly both side of the blade were identical (not perfect but the same design on both sides), and there was no maker or hallmarking on it.

Rick · 19th January 2016, 05:08 PM

A Turkish Surmene perhaps?

ariel · 19th January 2016, 05:31 PM

The one and only:-)

Trabzon area, end of 19th century most likely.

Muslim Georgians call it " Babas Kama": Grandfather's dagger.

There are examples of them in the new Kirill Rivkin's book ( see topic).

Helleri · 19th January 2016, 05:49 PM

wow you guys are so quick on this stuff...so what's up with the design? does it have any significance or is it just fancy fuller work?

Helleri · 1st April 2016, 02:59 AM

been a while since I posted this but looking through reference materials (for nothing in specific) I saw something fairly similar to this (at least in the blade and scabbard)....Could this be a flyssa blade with a replacement handle?

ariel · 1st April 2016, 03:05 AM

No.
Surmene.
The one and only:-)

Helleri · 1st April 2016, 03:30 AM

ah ok, just making sure it can't match for anything else. such an odd handle. Really wish I could find this thing again.

19th January 2016, 04:15 PM	#1
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Chino, CA. Posts: 219	Old knife ID (no longer in possesion) Had posted this one up on another forums a couple of years ago with no response. Since then it has been lost and...possibly included into a piece of bricolage artwork (kinda hard to tell what happened to it). Any way I was looking at the older pages on my photobucket and found it there so I decided to see if anyone here might know what it was. If I recall correctly both side of the blade were identical (not perfect but the same design on both sides), and there was no maker or hallmarking on it. Attached Images

19th January 2016, 05:08 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,325	A Turkish Surmene perhaps?

19th January 2016, 05:31 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The one and only:-) Trabzon area, end of 19th century most likely. Muslim Georgians call it " Babas Kama": Grandfather's dagger. There are examples of them in the new Kirill Rivkin's book ( see topic).

19th January 2016, 05:49 PM	#4
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Chino, CA. Posts: 219	wow you guys are so quick on this stuff...so what's up with the design? does it have any significance or is it just fancy fuller work?

1st April 2016, 02:59 AM	#5
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Chino, CA. Posts: 219	been a while since I posted this but looking through reference materials (for nothing in specific) I saw something fairly similar to this (at least in the blade and scabbard)....Could this be a flyssa blade with a replacement handle?

1st April 2016, 03:05 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	No. Surmene. The one and only:-)

1st April 2016, 03:30 AM	#7
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Chino, CA. Posts: 219	ah ok, just making sure it can't match for anything else. such an odd handle. Really wish I could find this thing again.