Shamshir Listed on eBay - BEWARE of SCAM!

ALEX · 28th February 2014, 06:19 PM

First, I am sorry for posting on currently listed for sale item. The problem is that this item is mine... and the seller is someone else from Ukraine.
This shamshir ( eBay link ) was bought by me from one of the most reputable eBayers and highly esteemed member of this Forum in 2010. The earlier pictures were used by the scammer from Ukraine to list it now. Notice they do not show the whole item and open the auction at 0.99 with no reserve. I am surprised they accept Paypal, but likely have other plans in mind.
I will contact eBay with the link to this post and report the scam. Hope they will stop the auction and ban the user.

ALEX · 28th February 2014, 06:29 PM

Attached is the original description from 2010 sale. They even coped that

Below is the current eBay listing for comparison.

Andrew · 28th February 2014, 06:33 PM

This is permitted under the rules, Alex. Hopefully you can get eBay to shut it down before someone gets scammed.

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Can I warn the community of obvious fraud, for example if I see my own photographs of items in my collection being offered in an auction: An important permitted exception is the posting of links/auction numbers to pending (non-closed) auctions is when one has reliable proof that the auction is fraudulent. Reliable proof includes first-hand knowledge about the item in question (e.g. it is something you own, and someone has violated copyright by using your own photos to offer to sell your property).

spiral · 28th February 2014, 06:43 PM

Alex, If I were you id bid a million dollars on it, in about 20 separate bids building up each time....... $10,$100$1000,$5000 etc.etc. to save him "selling" it for cash quickly.

That way any cash sale offer will probably come to you....

Might help Untill ebay get there act together....

spiral

Sajen · 28th February 2014, 08:27 PM

Alex, don't have hope that ebay will do something, I have had the same two times some years ago with a salawaku I have listed on ebay in my early beginning of ebay sales, this shield reached a price $2550 but by some reason this shield is still in my collection until today. Both "seller" used my pictures and my description. I contacted ebay but they have done nothing so I have done what spiral write in a similar way to prevent a possible buyer to lose a lot of money. Since I have contacted the "sellers" also, without any answer of course, I never get an invoice.

Regards,
Detlef

ariel · 28th February 2014, 11:15 PM

Pay attention: PayPal is accepted ONLY on items < $500. After that, - bank transfer. Shipping is "guaranteed" after a month wait. During this time, E-Bay will do nothing : they will tell you to wait a bit more.
More than enough time for the scammer to get the money, close the bank account permanently and to disappear without a trace.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 1st March 2014, 05:21 AM

Best of luck on resolution....

spiral · 1st March 2014, 08:21 AM

It seems its using a hacked Italian account.

Spiral

ALEX · 1st March 2014, 09:18 AM

Sajen, looks like you're right. eBay shows no interest, they did not even ask for details

As others noted, this is a "bank transfer and run" scam from likely hacked account.

ariel · 1st March 2014, 01:43 PM

Well, in this case E-Bay will have to reimburse the buyer :-) They have a policy of full protection.

Penny wise, pound stupid....

ALEX · 1st March 2014, 03:03 PM

Ariel,
eBay does offer full protection, but for most (not all) transactions. They do not cover wire transfer. Here's their policy:

Purchases are covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee when all of the following are true:

An item isn't received or it isn't as described in the listing
A case is opened no later than 30 days after actual (or latest estimated) delivery date, or for tickets, 7 days after the event
The purchase was made with the Pay Now option or an eBay invoice
One of the following payment methods was used:
PayPal
ProPay
Skrill
Credit card or debit card
Bill Me Later
The item was paid for in a single payment (including payments with Bill Me Later).

ariel · 2nd March 2014, 12:11 PM

You are 100% correct. I found it out yesterday, since I never ever was interested in it. Now I know....

I think the behavior of E-Bay is reprehensible. They ask for a proof of a scam: you had it and offered to provide an iron-clad case, but they just ignored you.

The " winner"... poor schmuck....

ALEX · 2nd March 2014, 02:29 PM

As suspected, the listing was ended by the seller "because there was an error in the listing". I am afraid it could be buy-now offer from unsuspected victim who does not realize eBay does not cover bank transfer.

Rick · 2nd March 2014, 04:03 PM

I would have gone with the million dollar bid; I liked that idea .

estcrh · 3rd March 2014, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALEX

As suspected, the listing was ended by the seller "because there was an error in the listing". I am afraid it could be buy-now offer from unsuspected victim who does not realize eBay does not cover bank transfer.

I sent the seller a link to this discussion and asked if they actually owned the sword being sold, a short time later the auction was ended, no way of telling if this had anything to do with the auction being ended.

spiral · 3rd March 2014, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by estcrh

I sent the seller a link to this discussion and asked if they actually owned the sword being sold, a short time later the auction was ended, no way of telling if this had anything to do with the auction being ended.

I am sure they will find this forum very useful for there future endeavours.

spiral

napoleon · 3rd March 2014, 10:30 AM

just another example of how usefull the forum can be well done alex

estcrh · 4th March 2014, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiral

I am sure they will find this forum very useful for there future endeavours.

spiral

Like someone cant find the same thing on ebay, auctions, and forums all over the world.

spiral · 4th March 2014, 08:25 AM

Indeed they could, but of course they wont need to now, Because you've invited them here.

I am sure there grateful.

Spiral

estcrh · 4th March 2014, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiral

Indeed they could, but of course they wont need to now, Because you've invited them here.

I am sure there grateful.

Spiral

I do not appreciate your post or your accusation.

Andrew · 4th March 2014, 02:33 PM

Enough.

28th February 2014, 06:19 PM	#1
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Shamshir Listed on eBay - BEWARE of SCAM! First, I am sorry for posting on currently listed for sale item. The problem is that this item is mine... and the seller is someone else from Ukraine. This shamshir ( eBay link ) was bought by me from one of the most reputable eBayers and highly esteemed member of this Forum in 2010. The earlier pictures were used by the scammer from Ukraine to list it now. Notice they do not show the whole item and open the auction at 0.99 with no reserve. I am surprised they accept Paypal, but likely have other plans in mind. I will contact eBay with the link to this post and report the scam. Hope they will stop the auction and ban the user. Attached Images

28th February 2014, 06:29 PM	#2
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Attached is the original description from 2010 sale. They even coped that Below is the current eBay listing for comparison. Attached Images

1st March 2014, 05:21 AM	#7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Best of luck on resolution.... Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 1st March 2014 at 05:42 AM.

3rd March 2014, 10:30 AM	#17
napoleon Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 88	well done just another example of how usefull the forum can be well done alex

28th February 2014, 06:43 PM	#4
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Alex, If I were you id bid a million dollars on it, in about 20 separate bids building up each time....... $10,$100$1000,$5000 etc.etc. to save him "selling" it for cash quickly. That way any cash sale offer will probably come to you.... Might help Untill ebay get there act together.... spiral

28th February 2014, 08:27 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,125	Alex, don't have hope that ebay will do something, I have had the same two times some years ago with a salawaku I have listed on ebay in my early beginning of ebay sales, this shield reached a price $2550 but by some reason this shield is still in my collection until today. Both "seller" used my pictures and my description. I contacted ebay but they have done nothing so I have done what spiral write in a similar way to prevent a possible buyer to lose a lot of money. Since I have contacted the "sellers" also, without any answer of course, I never get an invoice. Regards, Detlef

28th February 2014, 11:15 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Pay attention: PayPal is accepted ONLY on items < $500. After that, - bank transfer. Shipping is "guaranteed" after a month wait. During this time, E-Bay will do nothing : they will tell you to wait a bit more. More than enough time for the scammer to get the money, close the bank account permanently and to disappear without a trace.

1st March 2014, 08:21 AM	#8
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	It seems its using a hacked Italian account. Spiral

1st March 2014, 09:18 AM	#9
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Sajen, looks like you're right. eBay shows no interest, they did not even ask for details As others noted, this is a "bank transfer and run" scam from likely hacked account.

1st March 2014, 01:43 PM	#10
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, in this case E-Bay will have to reimburse the buyer :-) They have a policy of full protection. Penny wise, pound stupid....

1st March 2014, 03:03 PM	#11
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Ariel, eBay does offer full protection, but for most (not all) transactions. They do not cover wire transfer. Here's their policy: Purchases are covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee when all of the following are true: An item isn't received or it isn't as described in the listing A case is opened no later than 30 days after actual (or latest estimated) delivery date, or for tickets, 7 days after the event The purchase was made with the Pay Now option or an eBay invoice One of the following payment methods was used: PayPal ProPay Skrill Credit card or debit card Bill Me Later The item was paid for in a single payment (including payments with Bill Me Later).

2nd March 2014, 12:11 PM	#12
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	You are 100% correct. I found it out yesterday, since I never ever was interested in it. Now I know.... I think the behavior of E-Bay is reprehensible. They ask for a proof of a scam: you had it and offered to provide an iron-clad case, but they just ignored you. The " winner"... poor schmuck....

2nd March 2014, 02:29 PM	#13
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	As suspected, the listing was ended by the seller "because there was an error in the listing". I am afraid it could be buy-now offer from unsuspected victim who does not realize eBay does not cover bank transfer.

2nd March 2014, 04:03 PM	#14
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,325	I would have gone with the million dollar bid; I liked that idea .

4th March 2014, 08:25 AM	#19
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Indeed they could, but of course they wont need to now, Because you've invited them here. I am sure there grateful. Spiral

4th March 2014, 02:33 PM	#21
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Enough.