Kindjal with star pattern twistcore pictures needed

Atlantia · 13th October 2010, 05:18 PM

Hi all,
Been offered a Kindjal with what looked like a twistcore visible in the fullers.
There is an overlapping star pattern of four pointed 'compass point' stars.
It didn't look etched to me.
Two problems though.
1. It is a lot of cash and I need examples to compare it with before I lay down that kind of money.
2. The blade has a slight kink and will need straightening. Anyone want to guess how brittle the steel on Kindjals is?

Please help out if you have any pictures of star twistcore patterened Kindjals.

Tatyana Dianova · 14th October 2010, 07:36 AM

An example of twistcore Damascus Kindjal, sold by Hermann Historica:
http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat56_p.txt
(Alas, it seems to be impossible to save the pictures on my disc and upload them here...)

Norman McCormick · 14th October 2010, 02:32 PM

Hi,
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Norman.

Atlantia · 14th October 2010, 07:47 PM

Thank you both. Yes thats the pattern for sure.
How unusual are these? The one I'm considering has plainer mounts.

Tatyana Dianova · 15th October 2010, 07:27 AM

I'd say, very rare...

Atlantia · 16th October 2010, 08:08 PM

Thanks Tatyana

I've gone ahead and taken a chance on this one.
Here are the first pictures of it, as its come, just some of the grease wiped off.
Can anyone tell me what the inscription says, or even waht language it is?

Norman McCormick · 16th October 2010, 08:57 PM

Hi Gene,
With the proviso that I might be talking rubbish the bottom line would appear to be a date 1222 Hegira equating to 1807 Gregorian. There is a character between the 12 and the 22 so I'm only guessing, I do hope I'm correct though. Looks a real nice piece.
My Regards,
Norman.

Atlantia · 16th October 2010, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Gene,
With the proviso that I might be talking rubbish the bottom line would appear to be a date 1222 Hegira equating to 1807 Gregorian. There is a character between the 12 and the 22 so I'm only guessing, I do hope I'm correct though.
My Regards,
Norman.

Hi Norman,
That would be nice, I thought that extra character was a second loop on the second character making it a 3, so I thought I was seeing 1322?
But then I decided it might not even be arabic numerals because the second loop on the second character wasn't joined, then (confused) I decided to ask for help here

Norman McCormick · 16th October 2010, 09:32 PM

Hi Gene,
You could be right re the extra 'hook' on the 2, 1322 would make it 1904, I think expert advice is needed here.
Regards,
Norman.

P.S. Seems Gaucho knives are popping up here and there I do hope nice Kindjals are next.

Dom · 17th October 2010, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Gene,
You could be right re the extra 'hook' on the 2, 1322 would make it 1904, I think expert advice is needed here.

Hi Norman
well analysed by Gene
we have to read 1322 either 1904
for the translation of the word or name ? waiting for my ... translator

will be soon

..........
it's done

AMAL either MADE BY

but the name as far as it's not Arab stay illegible for us

à +

Dom

Norman McCormick · 17th October 2010, 03:00 PM

Expert advice called for and 'hey presto' it appears, thanks Dom.

My Regards,
Norman.

13th October 2010, 05:18 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Kindjal with star pattern twistcore pictures needed Hi all, Been offered a Kindjal with what looked like a twistcore visible in the fullers. There is an overlapping star pattern of four pointed 'compass point' stars. It didn't look etched to me. Two problems though. 1. It is a lot of cash and I need examples to compare it with before I lay down that kind of money. 2. The blade has a slight kink and will need straightening. Anyone want to guess how brittle the steel on Kindjals is? Please help out if you have any pictures of star twistcore patterened Kindjals.

14th October 2010, 02:32 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi, Hope this helps. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

16th October 2010, 08:08 PM	#6
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Thanks Tatyana I've gone ahead and taken a chance on this one. Here are the first pictures of it, as its come, just some of the grease wiped off. Can anyone tell me what the inscription says, or even waht language it is? Attached Images

14th October 2010, 07:36 AM	#2
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 734	An example of twistcore Damascus Kindjal, sold by Hermann Historica: http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat56_p.txt (Alas, it seems to be impossible to save the pictures on my disc and upload them here...)

14th October 2010, 07:47 PM	#4
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Thank you both. Yes thats the pattern for sure. How unusual are these? The one I'm considering has plainer mounts.

15th October 2010, 07:27 AM	#5
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 734	I'd say, very rare...

16th October 2010, 08:57 PM	#7
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi Gene, With the proviso that I might be talking rubbish the bottom line would appear to be a date 1222 Hegira equating to 1807 Gregorian. There is a character between the 12 and the 22 so I'm only guessing, I do hope I'm correct though. Looks a real nice piece. My Regards, Norman.

16th October 2010, 09:32 PM	#9
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi Gene, You could be right re the extra 'hook' on the 2, 1322 would make it 1904, I think expert advice is needed here. Regards, Norman. P.S. Seems Gaucho knives are popping up here and there I do hope nice Kindjals are next.

17th October 2010, 03:00 PM	#11
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Expert advice called for and 'hey presto' it appears, thanks Dom. My Regards, Norman.