Nice Engraved Katar For Comment

Lew · 3rd July 2006, 10:45 PM

Hi All

This just arrived. The blade in 9.5" long 18.5 total length. It has some type or floral engraving in the panels. I did a quick etch and it has some type of sham wootz pattern but I can't be sure what kind it is. There is some type of writing on the side bar and upper cross bar?

Lew

Lew

Rick · 3rd July 2006, 10:49 PM

Armory markings ?
I've seen the second from left before .

B.I · 4th July 2006, 07:40 AM

very nice.
i doubt it is sham watering, but rather tight, chrystalised indian wootz as this was more common to this kind of katar. always could be an acception to the rule though!
i think both inscriptions are upside down.
a good piece!

Jens Nordlunde · 4th July 2006, 08:51 PM

Yes it looks as if the inscriptions are upside down – what about the inscription close to the blade?

Internsting blade BTW.

Flavio · 4th July 2006, 09:01 PM

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Flavio · 4th July 2006, 09:02 PM

Nice katar Lew!! Could the signes that i have evidenced (sorry Lew to to have edited your pic

) be an indication for an original scissor katar blade rehilted in a simpler version? Just an idea

Jens Nordlunde · 4th July 2006, 09:59 PM

No this blade has nothing to do with a scissor blade. These markings which you point out are often seen on katar blades.
Is there any decoration at all on the side guards and the cross guards?
Are there other insctiptions than the ones you have shown?

Lew · 4th July 2006, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

No this blade has nothing to do with a scissor blade. These markings which you point out are often seen on katar blades.
Is there any decoration at all on the side guards and the cross guards?
Are there other insctiptions than the ones you have shown?

Jens

Only three inscriptions.

Lew

Flavio · 4th July 2006, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

No this blade has nothing to do with a scissor blade.

Sorry, was just an idea

Jens Nordlunde · 5th July 2006, 08:38 AM

Hi Flavio, no reason to be sorry. Most of the scissor blades you see are very big and clumsy, but they were also made slim and elegant, although it is seldom to see these blades.

Try also to have a look at this thread
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...d+inscriptions

Mark · 5th July 2006, 03:32 PM

I believe the inscriptions are museum (or private collection) accession numbers:

CA-3 Y 7 (or an incomplete 9) in the last photo (upside down)
CA-3Y and Y9[something] in the second-to-last photo

Lew · 5th July 2006, 04:43 PM

Here is a link to a Bikiner museum with lots of interesting items.

http://www.leyline.org/cgi-bin/photo...egory=armories

Lew

Jens Nordlunde · 6th July 2006, 09:56 AM

Hi Lew,
Thanks for the link - it is most interesting.
Jens

Flavio · 7th July 2006, 10:44 AM

Thank you Jens

Jens Nordlunde · 7th July 2006, 04:10 PM

Hi Flavio,

Your welcome. For one of the more elegant scissor katars see Stone page 345 no one and two. The third one shown is strange in the way, that the outer katar does not have crossbars; it is only the inner katar, which has cross bars. I have a few double katars but on mine both the outer and the inner katar have gross bars.

Flavio · 7th July 2006, 06:52 PM

Yeah Jens, the katar scissor on Stone is a very BEAUTY!!!!! Thanks again

3rd July 2006, 10:45 PM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Nice Engraved Katar For Comment Hi All This just arrived. The blade in 9.5" long 18.5 total length. It has some type or floral engraving in the panels. I did a quick etch and it has some type of sham wootz pattern but I can't be sure what kind it is. There is some type of writing on the side bar and upper cross bar? Lew Lew Attached Images

4th July 2006, 09:02 PM	#6
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Nice katar Lew!! Could the signes that i have evidenced (sorry Lew to to have edited your pic ) be an indication for an original scissor katar blade rehilted in a simpler version? Just an idea Attached Images

3rd July 2006, 10:49 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,325	Armory markings ? I've seen the second from left before .

4th July 2006, 07:40 AM	#3
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	very nice. i doubt it is sham watering, but rather tight, chrystalised indian wootz as this was more common to this kind of katar. always could be an acception to the rule though! i think both inscriptions are upside down. a good piece!

4th July 2006, 08:51 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Yes it looks as if the inscriptions are upside down – what about the inscription close to the blade? Internsting blade BTW.

4th July 2006, 09:01 PM	#5
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	...

4th July 2006, 09:59 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	No this blade has nothing to do with a scissor blade. These markings which you point out are often seen on katar blades. Is there any decoration at all on the side guards and the cross guards? Are there other insctiptions than the ones you have shown?

5th July 2006, 08:38 AM	#10
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Flavio, no reason to be sorry. Most of the scissor blades you see are very big and clumsy, but they were also made slim and elegant, although it is seldom to see these blades. Try also to have a look at this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...d+inscriptions

5th July 2006, 03:32 PM	#11
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I believe the inscriptions are museum (or private collection) accession numbers: CA-3 Y 7 (or an incomplete 9) in the last photo (upside down) CA-3Y and Y9[something] in the second-to-last photo

5th July 2006, 04:43 PM	#12
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Here is a link to a Bikiner museum with lots of interesting items. http://www.leyline.org/cgi-bin/photo...egory=armories Lew

6th July 2006, 09:56 AM	#13
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Lew, Thanks for the link - it is most interesting. Jens

7th July 2006, 10:44 AM	#14
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you Jens

7th July 2006, 04:10 PM	#15
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Flavio, Your welcome. For one of the more elegant scissor katars see Stone page 345 no one and two. The third one shown is strange in the way, that the outer katar does not have crossbars; it is only the inner katar, which has cross bars. I have a few double katars but on mine both the outer and the inner katar have gross bars.

7th July 2006, 06:52 PM	#16
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Yeah Jens, the katar scissor on Stone is a very BEAUTY!!!!! Thanks again