Old type off pakayun

Dajak · 18th March 2006, 09:30 AM

I am looking for pictures in books off this type off pakayun.

Esspecially the hilt.

I found only one in shelford publication from 1901.

John · 18th March 2006, 10:59 AM

Dajak, I think you can be very proud of this piece. From the land of the pakayun, I've not seen a hilt like yours and it remains the only example of it's kind I've seen to date and perhaps also in books?

VVV · 18th March 2006, 11:21 AM

Dajak,

I always enjoy seeing your favourite Pakayun with the rare hilt.
I went through my files again but yours and Shelford's are the only one I could find with this hilt.
Maybe it's one of a kind and it's the same?

Michael

Flavio · 18th March 2006, 11:25 AM

WOW DAJAK, what a beauty!!!!!

I know nothing about this, but i see a very similar sword on this italian site:

http://www.earmi.it/armi/glossario/glossario18.htm

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

VVV · 18th March 2006, 11:34 AM

I think it's Dajak's.
You can also find it on http://old.blades.free.fr/ under Parang Dayak

Michael

Flavio · 18th March 2006, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

I think it's Dajak's.
You can also find it on http://old.blades.free.fr/ under Parang Dayak

Michael

oppssss, sorry

Spunjer · 18th March 2006, 03:00 PM

THANKS FOR THE LINK, FLAVIO

Dajak · 18th March 2006, 03:36 PM

Hi guys Thanks for the comment.

The pic I send to Dominique for his website the other I think did copy the pic of my pakayun.

The carry band is made from humain hair , I have seen the same with some mandau's .

VANDOO · 18th March 2006, 04:35 PM

THANKS FOR POSTING THE PICTURES

THIS PAKAYUN IS A EXCEPTIONAL EXAMPLE OF A RARE SWORD. I WAS WONDERING IF THE CARVED INSERTED PIECE IS WOOD, HORN OR SOMETHING ELSE, IT DEFINITELY ISN'T THE SAME KIND OF WOOD USED FOR THE REST OF THE HANDLE. I WISH I KNEW MORE ABOUT THE MURUT, THEIR CUSTOMS, ORIGINS, HISTORY AND BELIEFS . THEY SEEM TO BE DIFFERENT FROM MOST OF THE OTHER DAYAK TRIBES.

Alam Shah · 18th March 2006, 05:13 PM

A little info about the Muruts...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murut_people
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9054385

A picture of the Murut Longhouse

Traditional Costume of the Murut

http://www.sabah.org.my/bi/know_sabah/murut_costume.asp

Murut Legend of how tattoos protected men and women from crocodiles.

A crocodile family was having difficulty in producing the eggs needed to begin their family. The father was then sent by his wife to locate help. Not far upriver, a Murut kampong (native village) was discovered. The father approached a woman who was cooking dinner and she apprehensively agreed, fearing that her body would be snatched and eaten by the imposing crocodile. Together, they swam to a deep pool. The woman held on to the father's tail and they rapidly descended into the dark water until they reached the crocodile's nest. Soon thereafter, the Murut woman gave the ailing mother much needed advice and to the delight of the parents the eggs suddenly appeared.

The Murut woman returned to her home and because the crocodile parents were so pleased with her efforts, they promised all the Murut that if they tattooed an image of the crocodile on each shoulder, or two tattoos around their legs, all crocodiles would recognize them as friends and would never bring harm to them.

Paraphrasing after: Diary of F. Witti, Esq., During an Excursion in North Borneo from Maruda Bay to Papar - F. Witti (written in 1880 - never published).

Tribal tattoo distinctions

Muruts - Men who have fought, or who have gone on risky expeditions (headhunting I presume) are tattooed from the shoulders to the pit of the stomach, and all down the arms three-parallel stripes to the waist. (Hatton 1882) NOTE: This tattooing is similar to that of Siberut Island...

Rundum Muruts - stars on the front of the shoulder, above the breast, are often seen... each star denoted a head having been taken. When the third had been taken, another star was placed on the throat; then the forearms and thighs were tattooed, but with no special design. (Rutter 1929)

mmontoro · 18th March 2006, 05:44 PM

That's the best example I've seen - really unique and complete. I've been admiring it on your avatar. Thank you for the better images

Dajak · 19th March 2006, 09:50 AM

Hi thanks and the Handle is out one piece

The patina from touching the handle make it look otherwise.

Battara · 21st March 2006, 01:11 AM

Well it's the nices pakayun I've ever seen.

ham · 21st March 2006, 04:03 AM

You might check Oldman's

Ham

Dajak · 21st March 2006, 08:36 AM

Hi what you mean the Oldman catalogue

wich page

mmontoro · 21st March 2006, 12:56 PM

There is one in Catalogue No. 25, item 15, but it has the more commonly seen hilt with knobs on the end of the fork. I could have overlooked something, but didn't see another.

Dajak · 22nd March 2006, 09:27 AM

Here some more pakayuns exept the one at the outside

Dajak · 27th March 2006, 04:24 AM

Hi does anyone have pics from muruts with pakayuns

VVV · 27th March 2006, 10:21 AM

The only old picture I have seen of a Murut with a Pakayun.
I hope somebody else have others to share?

Michael

CharlesS · 27th March 2006, 03:58 PM

Excellent photo Triple-V!! I love these old photos with the weapons actually being carried. I think it gives an all new meaning and appreciation of the hobby we all love when you see the weapons in their correct time, place and context!

Thanks for that VVV!

Dajak · 1st April 2006, 06:26 AM

This picture was taken in 1910

Dajak · 16th January 2018, 08:30 PM

New found Pakayun from the Oldman Cataloque

Dajak

kai · 16th January 2018, 08:53 PM

Congrats, Ben!

Could you post a close-up of the hilt, please?

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 16th January 2018, 10:08 PM

Congrats Benny! I am with Kai, I also would like to see a close-up from the handle.

Regards,
Detlef

Robert · 17th January 2018, 04:32 AM

Beautiful sword Benny ! I like the others would like to see close-ups of the hilt, but also photos of the blade, scabbard and scabbard carvings.

Congratulations.

Best,
Robert

CharlesS · 17th January 2018, 01:09 PM

Amazing piece Dajak!...and to remain in such lovely condition. Congrats!

Dajak · 17th January 2018, 09:42 PM

Pics

Dajak · 17th January 2018, 10:07 PM

Ex Collection Steen.

Dajak · 17th January 2018, 10:08 PM

2

kai · 18th January 2018, 01:17 PM

Thanks a lot, Ben!

The ex-Stromberg piece is an exceptionally complete and well-preserved example - congrats!

BTW, the mandau also seems very promising! Maybe you could post that one as well in a seperate thread, please?

Regards,
Kai

18th March 2006, 09:30 AM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Old type off pakayun I am looking for pictures in books off this type off pakayun. Esspecially the hilt. I found only one in shelford publication from 1901. Attached Images

18th March 2006, 05:13 PM	#10
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	A little info about the Muruts... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murut_people http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9054385 A picture of the Murut Longhouse Traditional Costume of the Murut http://www.sabah.org.my/bi/know_sabah/murut_costume.asp Murut Legend of how tattoos protected men and women from crocodiles. A crocodile family was having difficulty in producing the eggs needed to begin their family. The father was then sent by his wife to locate help. Not far upriver, a Murut kampong (native village) was discovered. The father approached a woman who was cooking dinner and she apprehensively agreed, fearing that her body would be snatched and eaten by the imposing crocodile. Together, they swam to a deep pool. The woman held on to the father's tail and they rapidly descended into the dark water until they reached the crocodile's nest. Soon thereafter, the Murut woman gave the ailing mother much needed advice and to the delight of the parents the eggs suddenly appeared. The Murut woman returned to her home and because the crocodile parents were so pleased with her efforts, they promised all the Murut that if they tattooed an image of the crocodile on each shoulder, or two tattoos around their legs, all crocodiles would recognize them as friends and would never bring harm to them. Paraphrasing after: Diary of F. Witti, Esq., During an Excursion in North Borneo from Maruda Bay to Papar - F. Witti (written in 1880 - never published). Tribal tattoo distinctions Muruts - Men who have fought, or who have gone on risky expeditions (headhunting I presume) are tattooed from the shoulders to the pit of the stomach, and all down the arms three-parallel stripes to the waist. (Hatton 1882) NOTE: This tattooing is similar to that of Siberut Island... Rundum Muruts - stars on the front of the shoulder, above the breast, are often seen... each star denoted a head having been taken. When the third had been taken, another star was placed on the throat; then the forearms and thighs were tattooed, but with no special design. (Rutter 1929) Last edited by Alam Shah; 18th March 2006 at 05:29 PM.

21st March 2006, 12:56 PM	#16
mmontoro Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 91	Oldman There is one in Catalogue No. 25, item 15, but it has the more commonly seen hilt with knobs on the end of the fork. I could have overlooked something, but didn't see another.

22nd March 2006, 09:27 AM	#17
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Here some more pakayuns exept the one at the outside Attached Images

27th March 2006, 10:21 AM	#19
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	The only old picture I have seen of a Murut with a Pakayun. I hope somebody else have others to share? Michael Attached Images

18th March 2006, 10:59 AM	#2
John Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Land below the wind Posts: 135	Dajak, I think you can be very proud of this piece. From the land of the pakayun, I've not seen a hilt like yours and it remains the only example of it's kind I've seen to date and perhaps also in books?

18th March 2006, 11:21 AM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Dajak, I always enjoy seeing your favourite Pakayun with the rare hilt. I went through my files again but yours and Shelford's are the only one I could find with this hilt. Maybe it's one of a kind and it's the same? Michael

18th March 2006, 11:25 AM	#4
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	WOW DAJAK, what a beauty!!!!! I know nothing about this, but i see a very similar sword on this italian site: http://www.earmi.it/armi/glossario/glossario18.htm CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

18th March 2006, 11:34 AM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I think it's Dajak's. You can also find it on http://old.blades.free.fr/ under Parang Dayak Michael

18th March 2006, 03:00 PM	#7
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	THANKS FOR THE LINK, FLAVIO

18th March 2006, 03:36 PM	#8
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi guys Thanks for the comment. The pic I send to Dominique for his website the other I think did copy the pic of my pakayun. The carry band is made from humain hair , I have seen the same with some mandau's .

18th March 2006, 04:35 PM	#9
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THANKS FOR POSTING THE PICTURES THIS PAKAYUN IS A EXCEPTIONAL EXAMPLE OF A RARE SWORD. I WAS WONDERING IF THE CARVED INSERTED PIECE IS WOOD, HORN OR SOMETHING ELSE, IT DEFINITELY ISN'T THE SAME KIND OF WOOD USED FOR THE REST OF THE HANDLE. I WISH I KNEW MORE ABOUT THE MURUT, THEIR CUSTOMS, ORIGINS, HISTORY AND BELIEFS . THEY SEEM TO BE DIFFERENT FROM MOST OF THE OTHER DAYAK TRIBES.

18th March 2006, 05:44 PM	#11
mmontoro Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 91	That's the best example I've seen - really unique and complete. I've been admiring it on your avatar. Thank you for the better images

19th March 2006, 09:50 AM	#12
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi thanks and the Handle is out one piece The patina from touching the handle make it look otherwise.

21st March 2006, 01:11 AM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Well it's the nices pakayun I've ever seen.

21st March 2006, 04:03 AM	#14
ham Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 190	You might check Oldman's Ham

21st March 2006, 08:36 AM	#15
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi what you mean the Oldman catalogue wich page

27th March 2006, 04:24 AM	#18
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi does anyone have pics from muruts with pakayuns

27th March 2006, 03:58 PM	#20
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Excellent photo Triple-V!! I love these old photos with the weapons actually being carried. I think it gives an all new meaning and appreciation of the hobby we all love when you see the weapons in their correct time, place and context! Thanks for that VVV!

1st April 2006, 06:26 AM	#21
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	This picture was taken in 1910 Attached Images

16th January 2018, 08:30 PM	#22
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Oldman Pakayun New found Pakayun from the Oldman Cataloque Dajak Attached Images

16th January 2018, 08:53 PM	#23
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Congrats, Ben! Could you post a close-up of the hilt, please? Regards, Kai

16th January 2018, 10:08 PM	#24
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,126	Congrats Benny! I am with Kai, I also would like to see a close-up from the handle. Regards, Detlef

17th January 2018, 04:32 AM	#25
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Beautiful sword Benny ! I like the others would like to see close-ups of the hilt, but also photos of the blade, scabbard and scabbard carvings. Congratulations. Best, Robert

17th January 2018, 01:09 PM	#26
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Amazing piece Dajak!...and to remain in such lovely condition. Congrats!

17th January 2018, 09:42 PM	#27
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	some pics Pics Attached Images

17th January 2018, 10:07 PM	#28
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Pakayun ex Steen Stromberg Ex Collection Steen. Attached Images

17th January 2018, 10:08 PM	#29
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	2 2 Attached Images

18th January 2018, 01:17 PM	#30
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Thanks a lot, Ben! The ex-Stromberg piece is an exceptionally complete and well-preserved example - congrats! BTW, the mandau also seems very promising! Maybe you could post that one as well in a seperate thread, please? Regards, Kai