KILIJ/SHAMSHIR/SAIF FOR COMMENT

Valjhun · 11th January 2013, 08:23 PM

Dear Friends,

I ve recived photos of this sword today, wich is offered to me for a swap. It looks oddly to my eye. A put toghether sword I would dare to say. The scabbard pieces/crossguard are 19th c. persian I think. The decoration seems silver koftgari, Syrian 19th century. I do not like the wire, looks like new, and the hilt wich seems an ugly copy of ottoman kilij hilts. It seems that it does not go under the wire and that the flower decoration?

The blade however seems very nice to me. I made this observations based on photos I still havent hold the sword in person.

Is it a composite piece?

Any chance that the blade is actually wootz?

Any comment appreciated!

Battara · 11th January 2013, 08:51 PM

Composite - I will leave for the others. However I do see wootz.

A.alnakkas · 11th January 2013, 09:03 PM

The fittings are Syrian. Seems to be the 60's work. They still make them like this and with wootz blades or recently made ones.

I like it :-)

Battara · 12th January 2013, 03:43 AM

Although not my area, but the silver koftgari looks primitive and unprofessional to me.

Valjhun · 12th January 2013, 12:27 PM

Thank you gents! agree, the only part that is worth something is the blade. I will pass on that one....

CharlesS · 12th January 2013, 01:09 PM

Battara is right on the money I think.

Valjhun · 12th January 2013, 03:03 PM

Difficult to say, but I do not think that the blade is turkis, it looks more indian to me. Am I right?

11th January 2013, 08:23 PM	#1
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	KILIJ/SHAMSHIR/SAIF FOR COMMENT Dear Friends, I ve recived photos of this sword today, wich is offered to me for a swap. It looks oddly to my eye. A put toghether sword I would dare to say. The scabbard pieces/crossguard are 19th c. persian I think. The decoration seems silver koftgari, Syrian 19th century. I do not like the wire, looks like new, and the hilt wich seems an ugly copy of ottoman kilij hilts. It seems that it does not go under the wire and that the flower decoration? The blade however seems very nice to me. I made this observations based on photos I still havent hold the sword in person. Is it a composite piece? Any chance that the blade is actually wootz? Any comment appreciated! Attached Images

11th January 2013, 08:51 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Composite - I will leave for the others. However I do see wootz.

11th January 2013, 09:03 PM	#3
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	The fittings are Syrian. Seems to be the 60's work. They still make them like this and with wootz blades or recently made ones. I like it :-)

12th January 2013, 03:43 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Although not my area, but the silver koftgari looks primitive and unprofessional to me.

12th January 2013, 12:27 PM	#5
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Thank you gents! agree, the only part that is worth something is the blade. I will pass on that one....

12th January 2013, 01:09 PM	#6
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Battara is right on the money I think.

12th January 2013, 03:03 PM	#7
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Difficult to say, but I do not think that the blade is turkis, it looks more indian to me. Am I right?