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25th February 2024, 08:05 PM | #1 |
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Help with translation of the Ottoman yatagan, 18th century.
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Dear friends , please help with translation! |
25th February 2024, 08:08 PM | #2 |
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27th February 2024, 07:14 PM | #3 |
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Can only help you with the date "1218" => 1803
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12th March 2024, 09:36 AM | #4 |
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With the help of a friend, the text was read .Year 1218 (Circa 1803). Made by Hajji (pilgrim) Nouh, owner Halil Ağa.
Ağa is a military rank which has no equvelance in today's miltary and it is between a captain and a major. Ağa usullay cammanded 1000 jennissaries. The rest are the names of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus |
19th March 2024, 04:27 PM | #5 |
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Aga or Agha was also a honorific title or name given to respected men, who were not to be addressed with Beg / Bey or Effendi for one reason or another in the Ottoman Empire. So not always a reference to a military rank or position of the owner |
19th March 2024, 10:20 PM | #6 | |
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In a literal translation, it can also be translated as older brother |
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27th March 2024, 12:55 AM | #7 |
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Nice yataghan, why do you mean that there are other signa that it belonged to janissari? There are no janissari seals on blade, they had seals like markings of regiment, that vere struck on blades, this doesent have that.
That ivory? Like decoration on ear is a later ad on as i can see. |
27th March 2024, 12:56 AM | #8 |
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Yes that white thing is a later and crude one ad on.
Allso two extra smaller pins, has it ben repaired on parazvana? |
1st April 2024, 10:44 AM | #9 | |
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In the inscriptions, along with the name of the master, the name of the owner is always written, made in the same technique as the rest of the inscriptions, and the decoration of the blade; this indicates that the weapon was made to order. Regards, Yuri. |
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1st April 2024, 07:17 PM | #10 | |
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FYI: most were not of "Turkish"origin but actually children from occupied (mostly Balkan) countries. interesting to read : https://www.google.nl/books/edition/...0AEACAAJ?hl=nl http://www.bev.ba/MOMARAFO/ET/krater...sokolovic.html https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Janissary they also were a partial reason for the pan-slavic thoughts and uprising in that region: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Serbian_Uprising |
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1st April 2024, 07:53 PM | #11 |
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[QUOTE=gp;289972]correction: Ottoman Janissars.
You are absolutely right - Ottoman Janissaries. I know very well how and from whom the Janissary corps was formed, I have enough knowledge and books on this topic. At the beginning of the reign of Sultan Murad I (1959-1389), a new army was formed, which was called the Janissaries. The question was different, that the yataghan was a non-combatant personal weapon, made to order. Therefore, there could be no regimental markings. Regards, Yuri. |
1st April 2024, 08:18 PM | #12 | |
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But put here actuallly as additional info for forum members, just like the liternature at the bottom of this http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ure#post275457 as the knowledge on the Balkans and Ottoman Empire is limited |
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1st April 2024, 08:36 PM | #13 |
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But put here actuallly as additional info for forum members I will be happy to add a list of books, but they are in Russian. |
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FYI: some of the books and links I placed in this forum are Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian, German and even some publications in Russian. The ones interested will always find a way to read or translate Last edited by gp; 1st April 2024 at 11:46 PM. |
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