kinzhal blade w/jambiya tang; Persian?

tom hyle · 16th February 2005, 02:01 AM

I guess the thread title about covers it. Silver inlay. Short, jambiyesque tang. ebay #6510586240

Rick · 16th February 2005, 02:45 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6510586240

Rivkin · 16th February 2005, 03:56 AM

Looks like an iranian or armenian kindjal blade to me. More precisely it's impossible to tell.

Alam Shah · 16th February 2005, 04:08 AM

The tang looks as though it was broken from a longer tang piece. Unique piece. I may be wrong though. (My 1 cent worth comment).

tom hyle · 16th February 2005, 05:45 AM

It doesn't look that way to me; there's no jaggedness. There'es a layered look, where it looks like perhaps it's the end of a folded billet, but it's nicely rounded, not jagged, as we might expect from a torn end, nor heavily pitted, as we'd see if it'd rusted through. It is possible, of course, that it's broken off short; it just doesn't look that way to me. The tang on Arab jambiyas I've seen is much like this....

ariel · 16th February 2005, 10:07 PM

I am sure it is Persian: the second pic shows a koftgari-ed snake.
See:
http://forums.swordforum.com/showthr...=snake+persian
I also think that it used to have regular tang that was filed away: see the position of the fuller.

tom hyle · 16th February 2005, 10:51 PM

So this snake (as also seen on the spear blade I posted about) indicated Persian?
In the absence of other evidence I think it would be extremely unsound to assume that the fuller "running off the edge" at the blade base indicates a regrind in any way, shape, or form. In fact this feature is fairly common; examine stalk-tang non-European sabres with narrow fullers; I'm particularly thinking of some saifs I've seen.

tom hyle · 17th February 2005, 11:37 AM

Of course, I can't see its edges very well, and the tang is covered in pitch(?), but the tang looks forged to shape.

16th February 2005, 02:01 AM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	kinzhal blade w/jambiya tang; Persian? I guess the thread title about covers it. Silver inlay. Short, jambiyesque tang. ebay #6510586240

16th February 2005, 04:08 AM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	The tang looks as though it was broken from a longer tang piece. Unique piece. I may be wrong though. (My 1 cent worth comment). Last edited by Alam Shah; 16th February 2005 at 06:31 AM.

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16th February 2005, 02:45 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6510586240

16th February 2005, 03:56 AM	#3
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Looks like an iranian or armenian kindjal blade to me. More precisely it's impossible to tell.

16th February 2005, 05:45 AM	#5
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	It doesn't look that way to me; there's no jaggedness. There'es a layered look, where it looks like perhaps it's the end of a folded billet, but it's nicely rounded, not jagged, as we might expect from a torn end, nor heavily pitted, as we'd see if it'd rusted through. It is possible, of course, that it's broken off short; it just doesn't look that way to me. The tang on Arab jambiyas I've seen is much like this....

16th February 2005, 10:07 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am sure it is Persian: the second pic shows a koftgari-ed snake. See: http://forums.swordforum.com/showthr...=snake+persian I also think that it used to have regular tang that was filed away: see the position of the fuller.

16th February 2005, 10:51 PM	#7
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	So this snake (as also seen on the spear blade I posted about) indicated Persian? In the absence of other evidence I think it would be extremely unsound to assume that the fuller "running off the edge" at the blade base indicates a regrind in any way, shape, or form. In fact this feature is fairly common; examine stalk-tang non-European sabres with narrow fullers; I'm particularly thinking of some saifs I've seen.

17th February 2005, 11:37 AM	#8
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Of course, I can't see its edges very well, and the tang is covered in pitch(?), but the tang looks forged to shape.