Old persian sword

qusko · 24th June 2024, 03:10 PM

Hi,

Can you help me to evaluate how old is that blade and what is the origin?

I suspect persian blade from minimum XVIII.. but maybe XVII..

Hilt is missing but might be ineresting.. anatomical shape rather than classic one.

Pertinax · 24th June 2024, 09:26 PM

Hello qusko

IMHO this is a Hungarian-Polish karabela

Regards, Yuri

TVV · 24th June 2024, 11:17 PM

The guard is Persian, and there were Persian trade blades with fullers. After cleaning the blade, are there any markings?

qusko · 25th June 2024, 06:25 AM

Thank you for your comments.

Unfortunately blade has no markings. Indeed it is similar to persian trade blades, might be older. I have attached few Pictures, where similar blade, or hilt shape were used. In some other articles I read it might be Zand era blade.

In polish karabela there were foreign blade used,but seems it is not the case of this sabre.

mariusgmioc · 25th June 2024, 09:09 AM

Hello,

I am of the opinion this is NOT a Persian but an European trade blade.

I base my opinion on the configuration of the blade like the shape of the edge and the fullers.

Yes, the cross-guard appears to be Persian but this is the ONLY Persian feature I can distinguish in this example.

PS: In my opinion, the blade in the photo below is also an European (probably Solingen) trade blade.

Pertinax · 25th June 2024, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Hello,

I am of the opinion this is NOT a Persian but an European trade blade.

I base my opinion on the configuration of the blade like the shape of the edge and the fullers.

Yes, the cross-guard appears to be Persian but this is the ONLY Persian feature I can distinguish in this example.

PS: In my opinion, the blade in the photo below is also an European (probably Solingen) trade blade.

+100

Several examples of carabela handles and crosspieces

qusko · 25th June 2024, 01:11 PM

Indeed persian blades where usually not straight, but please look at the example I ve added. That one is with persian trade blade. Last one is with "karabela" (anatomical) hilt.

If it is europen trade blade, it looks like mounted with persian fashion and karabela like hilt. XVII century ?

Norman McCormick · 25th June 2024, 01:13 PM

Hi,
Here is an identified Persian trade blade of mine for comparison. Hope this is of some use.
Regards,
Norman.

qusko · 25th June 2024, 02:37 PM

Indeed persian blades where usually not straight, but please look at the example I ve added. That one is with persian trade blade. Last one is with "karabela" (anatomical) hilt.

If it is europen trade blade, it looks like mounted with persian fashion and karabela like hilt. XVII century ?

24th June 2024, 03:10 PM	#1
qusko Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 47	Old persian sword Hi, Can you help me to evaluate how old is that blade and what is the origin? I suspect persian blade from minimum XVIII.. but maybe XVII.. Hilt is missing but might be ineresting.. anatomical shape rather than classic one. Attached Images

25th June 2024, 06:25 AM	#4
qusko Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 47	Thank you for your comments. Unfortunately blade has no markings. Indeed it is similar to persian trade blades, might be older. I have attached few Pictures, where similar blade, or hilt shape were used. In some other articles I read it might be Zand era blade. In polish karabela there were foreign blade used,but seems it is not the case of this sabre. Attached Images

25th June 2024, 09:09 AM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,890	Hello, I am of the opinion this is NOT a Persian but an European trade blade. I base my opinion on the configuration of the blade like the shape of the edge and the fullers. Yes, the cross-guard appears to be Persian but this is the ONLY Persian feature I can distinguish in this example. PS: In my opinion, the blade in the photo below is also an European (probably Solingen) trade blade. Attached Images

25th June 2024, 01:11 PM	#7
qusko Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 47	Indeed persian blades where usually not straight, but please look at the example I ve added. That one is with persian trade blade. Last one is with "karabela" (anatomical) hilt. If it is europen trade blade, it looks like mounted with persian fashion and karabela like hilt. XVII century ? Attached Images

25th June 2024, 01:13 PM	#8
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,584	Hi, Here is an identified Persian trade blade of mine for comparison. Hope this is of some use. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

24th June 2024, 09:26 PM	#2
Pertinax Member Join Date: Dec 2023 Location: City by the Black Sea Posts: 134	Hello qusko IMHO this is a Hungarian-Polish karabela Regards, Yuri

24th June 2024, 11:17 PM	#3
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,604	The guard is Persian, and there were Persian trade blades with fullers. After cleaning the blade, are there any markings?

25th June 2024, 02:37 PM	#9
qusko Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 47	Indeed persian blades where usually not straight, but please look at the example I ve added. That one is with persian trade blade. Last one is with "karabela" (anatomical) hilt. If it is europen trade blade, it looks like mounted with persian fashion and karabela like hilt. XVII century ?