Question about "scimitars"

Jim McDougall · Yesterday, 08:46 PM

The term 'scimitar' is more of a corruption derived from probably the mid 16th century Persian term for saber, 'shamshir', which became the Italian 'scimitarra' in the effort in translating . While never referring definitively to a specific sword form, it meant collectively a curved, exotic saber.

The term itself became popularized in that sense and romanticized in the colorful writing of European writers and especially Victorian novelists of the 19th c.

The saber itself has brought much consternation as to its origins, where, when and by whom...but generally it seems that these light, curved swords began around 9th century in Khurasan or some Central Asian nomadic context, favored for slashing cuts from horseback.

In the Dar al Islam, it seems that primarily the swords used were double edged broadswords, though there was incidental use of the saber during the Crusades and of course following, as Turkic tribes brought the saber westward. It is a very complex history as to the specifics of the types of sabers which evolved in varying regions; India; Middle East; Arabia; Turkey; Central Asia etc.

Terms such as tulwar, shamshir, kilij, are collective terms for sword in general in the various languages. However they have become stereotyped into certain distinct forms by writers and collectors so it is difficult to elaborate on etymological correctness. The term scimitar is basically a romantic term for any type of saber, especially if unusually exotic in appearance.

Yesterday, 08:46 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,922	The term 'scimitar' is more of a corruption derived from probably the mid 16th century Persian term for saber, 'shamshir', which became the Italian 'scimitarra' in the effort in translating . While never referring definitively to a specific sword form, it meant collectively a curved, exotic saber. The term itself became popularized in that sense and romanticized in the colorful writing of European writers and especially Victorian novelists of the 19th c. The saber itself has brought much consternation as to its origins, where, when and by whom...but generally it seems that these light, curved swords began around 9th century in Khurasan or some Central Asian nomadic context, favored for slashing cuts from horseback. In the Dar al Islam, it seems that primarily the swords used were double edged broadswords, though there was incidental use of the saber during the Crusades and of course following, as Turkic tribes brought the saber westward. It is a very complex history as to the specifics of the types of sabers which evolved in varying regions; India; Middle East; Arabia; Turkey; Central Asia etc. Terms such as tulwar, shamshir, kilij, are collective terms for sword in general in the various languages. However they have become stereotyped into certain distinct forms by writers and collectors so it is difficult to elaborate on etymological correctness. The term scimitar is basically a romantic term for any type of saber, especially if unusually exotic in appearance.