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			Sorry guys I do not have an old example of either,
 
 But just to add my bit, I have handled a few scissor katars and they have always been very clumsy, usually with the mechanism either broken or weak, suprisingly though I have seen a few in the collection of some veteran collectors who not only should know better, but who believe that their practical.
 
 I dont mean to go off topic, but what about the katars with pistols attached?
 
 Bally
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